Keep fighting the good fight

[yzErnie]

There has recently been, IMO, an alarming number of folks coming into this sub-forum to voice their displeasure with the law enforcement community as a whole. I certainly believe in the 1st Amendment and would never advocate anyone not being able to excercise that right. However, the viewpoints, opinions and often times mean spirited nature of some of these folks is getting frustrating.

Please remember, we deal with this kind of behavior every single day and this board is an extention of the frustrations, uncertainty and quite honestly some jealously today's society brings. Ignore the malcontents, their harsh words and don't allow ourselves to be brought down a level. As said in a previous thread, "Haters will always hate".

Stand strong fellas and continue fighting the good fight.

Ernie

[FLIGHT762]

I try not to let the haters get to me. It is difficult at times with so much misinformation being spread around. Vary rarely if at all, I comment in the posts involving alleged Police misconduct since in reality, the posted source for the incident is one sided. I've learned from many years dealing with critical incidents that the first information on something is not the full story and time is needed to fully investigate. The Nevada Costco shooting thread is a good example of that.

My passions are reloading, the shooting sports and hunting. My reasons to come to this site is to help out other shooters with reloading issues and obtain further knowledge from others with experience. I've learned a lot from this site, especially from the flow charts and interactive AW program.

I have always been a second amendment supporter and throughout my career, gone out of my way to educate my anti-gun co-workers. Actually, there were only a few of them. I was the go to guy to get the answers on firearms related subjects. I still get phone calls from our Dispatchers when they are trying to input firearms into AFS when the Officers don't put enough information on the description to enter a proper AFS entry. I'm happy to do it. I always based my actions as a L/E Officer as doing the right thing and being fair. That's how I was able to sleep at night.

I'm not going to let the haters and fools here chase me away. I just realize some of these people on this site have a very large chip on their shoulder and can't be unbiased or unprejudiced. Yes, there have been wrong doings on the part of L/E, but I let the system follow through and I will make my opinion when all of the facts are in.

[fullrearview]

I try not to let the haters get to me. It is difficult at times with so much misinformation being spread around. Vary rarely if at all, I comment in the posts involving alleged Police misconduct since in reality, the posted source for the incident is one sided. I've learned from many years dealing with critical incidents that the first information on something is not the full story and time is needed to fully investigate. The Nevada Costco shooting thread is a good example of that.

My passions are reloading, the shooting sports and hunting. My reasons to come to this site is to help out other shooters with reloading issues and obtain further knowledge from others with experience. I've learned a lot from this site, especially from the flow charts and interactive AW program.

I have always been a second amendment supporter and throughout my career, gone out of my way to educate my anti-gun co-workers. Actually, there were only a few of them. I was the go to guy to get the answers on firearms related subjects. I still get phone calls from our Dispatchers when they are trying to input firearms into AFS when the Officers don't put enough information on the description to enter a proper AFS entry. I'm happy to do it. I always based my actions as a L/E Officer as doing the right thing and being fair. That's how I was able to sleep at night.

I'm not going to let the haters and fools here chase me away. I just realize some of these people on this site have a very large chip on their shoulder and can't be unbiased or unprejudiced. Yes, there have been wrong doings on the part of L/E, but I let the system follow through and I will make my opinion when all of the facts are in.

I'm pretty much on the same page you are. I go into every contact treating people the way I want to be treated, every investigation trying to prove innocence as much as guilt. Sometimes I wish I could see how some of the members here really are in life. Do they treat the waitress with as much disrespect??? After all she a "servant".

Anyways, I don't let it get to me. CGN is still a place to come and learn about things 2A and firearms.

[biochembruin]

[SVT-40]

thanks for the support both from the LEO's as well as the non LEO's in my closed thread.


Maybe the option which needs to be seriously discussed is whether Calguns is benefiting, or being hurt by the "off topic" sub forum?

Seriously, what beneficial goal is being reached, or what outreach is being achieved to advance the goals of Calguns by the sorts of topics discussed there?

A real cost Vs benefit analysis.

Personally I see very little benefit, and a major downside.

After all this is CalGUNS. Not Cal gossip.

[fullrearview]

Very true. It kills me when those members post the same argument about Anti-Gunners, then lose that logic on LEO topics.Pot meet kettle huh!

In Bold. No worries about the long post. It is sad to have to walk the tight rope on here too now.

[Steyrlp10]

It's sad that some people are so opinionated and ignorant in their views when they start bashing any one group, especially those in law enforcement -- and for the individuals I personally know who are of that rigid mind set, I can understand why they rant at cops.

The ones I know make excuses for bending the law for their own personal gain, but they get upset when a cop has to enforce that law and get them back to the straight and narrow.

"Ignore" works well for me

[Jack L]

I sympathize with LEOs. The local online news for my area often has articles that concern actions by our sheriff, his deputies, and/or city chiefs and his guys. I would say 80% of the comments are anti LE. I am often the only one who supports what the article is stating. The general public, at least the ones sitting around on their computers is by far more anti LE in my area than not, which is a very middle class area. Many of the posters have no understanding of why actions are taken out on the street or the raids that are conducted yet are predisposed to being anti LE right off. It's pretty alarming considering there are so many bad guys out there to be dealt with yet there is disrespect for those that have to go out and deal with all these people.

The articles are often not accurate in their details and this also causes more inflammatory remarks against LEOs. There are a few calls that go bad in the USA ever year and make the YouTube rounds which seem to generate some of this anti mindset. Maybe some of it comes from a down economy right now? One thing for sure, when I was growing up my family never badmouthed LE in our house. I suspect this was pretty normal for most families in the 1950's - 1960's. There was still respect for authority. I have no idea what caused the turn around but it is out there. I do not think I'm being paranoid about it. LEOs and LE in general are facing some tough working conditions these days.

I would hope news agencies when writing their articles such as the recent one in AZ which caused a firestorm of responses, would be very careful in details and state that they too do not yet know what went down. The way it was written, we all read into it something much different than what may have taken place. The public tends to not believe the LE details and congers up a conspiracy theory. I fall for it myself at times. I blame some of this on news agencies for trying to make news that causes readers to keep buying or linking to their sensationalism style news, if you can call it news.

I do not think the majority of the mods are anti LEO. Some may be frustrated with chiefs and sheriffs not being very generous about issuing CCWs but that's only one single issue and not a general anti LE stance. Most the anti LEO remarks are from posters and we are all dealing with who knows who on this forum.

There is a place for LEOs here and I hope all you guys stay on the site and keep educating the non LEOs. I suspect many of the posters do not know any LEOs, or have them in the family or as friends and find it facinating they can actually communicate with a LEO other than on a traffic stop or Safety Stop.


Good luck. Don't go away.

[yzErnie]

I truly believe there is a place for this sub-forum here. There have been many decent folks who have come into this area and asked legitiment questions and received professional answers. That is partially why this area was created. However, the naysayers will always be be there to isert their uninformed, ignorant or bias opinions. We have to be above that and not allow ourselves to be drawn down to their level.

We all know by now who the malcontents who visit this area are. I avoid their threads like I do my ex-wife. I do however, appreciate the fact that we as LEOs have a place to offer advise to the good folks. I'm very careful about topics that discuss tactics, equipment and sensitive information and frequently avoid those threads as well. I would truly like to be able to speak openly and honestly about some of the topics and participants in this area but I do not care for the fallout and ridicule that would follow.

Again, continue fighting the good fight because there are people out there that truly depend upon us and those are the folks who need to keep us motivated to keep doing the right things.

Stay safe, Ernie

[Jonathan Doe]

I have served proudly for 25 years. I have been sued a few times. Been complained a few times. Commended a few times. Shot at a few times. I have survived to this point and have 1,407 days left.

It has been a good career. I just let them vent, and I go on my own merry way. I just feel sorry for the people always live with negative mind set.

[Tacit Blue]

I don't think the General Public fully understands the role of Law Enforcement from the eyes of the officer. Most of them have never had the responsibility of carrying a firearm for 8-12 hours a day/night, all while wearing body armor. I too can sympathize, i come from a background in DOD Security/Patrol. People are rude and hateful to any type of authority figure. Whether it be someone slamming a door in your face, or dealing with a drunk who is combative, to towing someones vehicle for their own mistake.

I think the public only chooses to see a negative perspective, when the opportunity presents itself. This mainly being the media. Rarely do you ever hear reports in the media of officers responding to a home invasion, and apprehending the subject. Possibly saving the homeowners from harm, it just seems somewhat biased and filtered for only negative content.

The media loves to dig up any kind of dirt they can find, and they'll always use it as political leverage against LE. They jump on the band wagons with groups like the ACLU, or copwatch.org

[Ron-Solo]

No worries Ernie

The general public and many CalGuners have no clue what we (LE) really do, how we do it, and why we do it.

Too many rush to grab the torches and pitchforks to attack base on limited or unsubstantiated information. Because of the mentality, I have reduced my time on CalGuns lately. Retired has been an excellent moderator, and tries to handle things fairly.

Like someone else mentioned, is is sad when a moderator jumps in on the negative side. I have seen it from time to time, but it is rare. It is disappointing.

A while back, some members suggested me as a moderator, but I quickly declined, because I didn't feel I could be impartial enough, which is essential for a moderator.

That said, we all know who the haters are. I just hit the report button when they cross the line.

CalGuns is still a great place to exchange info and make friends.

[Notorious]

Let them voice their frustrations, it's all water off a duck's back to me. Whatever. If I won't let it get to me at work when they are doing it to my face, why would I care aout some internet-hero who only dares to speak like that when he is hiding anonymously on the web? Those are the same guys that will cry and beg when you pull them over so they can get out of a ticket, then MF you behind your back so they can redeem themselves in front of their friends.

We're here for each other, just like in real life. Just take that for what it's worth and don't worry about the haters. Remember, we get to CCW in this state and buy off-list pistols with standard capacity magazines. Teehee!

[biochembruin]

.... Remember, we get to CCW in this state and buy off-list pistols with standard capacity magazines. Teehee!

You and your "us vs them, put down the serfs, elitist" mentality!!!

[Tacit Blue]

Let them voice their frustrations, it's all water off a duck's back to me. Whatever. If I won't let it get to me at work when they are doing it to my face, why would I care aout some internet-hero who only dares to speak like that when he is hiding anonymously on the web? Those are the same guys that will cry and beg when you pull them over so they can get out of a ticket, then MF you behind your back so they can redeem themselves in front of their friends.

We're here for each other, just like in real life. Just take that for what it's worth and don't worry about the haters. Remember, we get to CCW in this state and buy off-list pistols with standard capacity magazines. Teehee!

I want a off list XDM It's not a ' Safe Pistol' too many rds. What did i ever do to deserve this? I pay my DROS fees to the DOJ.