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  • cantcme
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2011
    • 1772

    must read for LEO

    This is not your typical police shooting article. Read how many fatal hits the bad guy took and how long he fought.



  • #2
    Full Clip
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Dec 2006
    • 10263

    Originally posted by cantcme
    Read how many fatal hits the bad guy took and how long he fought.
    Including a head shot... 11 hits.

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    • #3
      FLIGHT762
      Veteran Member
      • Mar 2009
      • 3072

      The article reinforces the common misconception that we are fed on a daily basis through movies, Television and the media when a person is shot. So much misinformation that we are bombarded with daily that some of us start to believe it.

      The real life actuality is a Human can take quite a bit of mortal trauma and keep fighting. It is all dependent on the mind set of the person before the body finally shuts down. If you want to see some amazing examples, read some of the citations to our Soldiers who have been awarded the CMH, posthumously.

      L/E firearm instructors have the duty to train personnel about the real life facts, in a deadly force option. "Shoot until the threat stops" has been the mantra for a number of years now.

      L/E takes a lot of heat by the public in deadly force incidents over how many shots were fired etc. There is a lot of monday morning Quartebacking done.

      Having been involved in deadly force incidents, I keep an open mind and have the "unless you were there" attitude before taking a knee jerk judgement about an incident.

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      • #4
        bob7122
        Calguns Addict
        • Jul 2010
        • 5090

        one on one and the guy had a seventeen round mag with only one round left. guess he didn't get the memo that ten round mags are all you need.
        Originally posted by 2761377
        man's greatest accomplishments have been achieved in the face of futility.
        it's a piss poor excuse to quit.
        PSN name= entwie_dumayla
        "I came into this world with someone else's blood on me and I don't mind leaving the same way..."
        ***looking to buy in great condition yugo sks***

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        • #5
          SScott
          Member
          • May 2009
          • 469

          edit
          Last edited by SScott; 11-11-2018, 3:32 PM.

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          • #6
            fullrearview
            Calguns Addict
            • Jan 2008
            • 9371

            Originally posted by SScott
            That's why I will never own a 9mm
            I really dont think it would have made a difference.
            "Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest."~M.Twain~

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            • #7
              mej16489
              Veteran Member
              • Aug 2008
              • 2714

              Originally posted by SScott
              That's why I will never own a 9mm
              There are similar documented instances of .45, .40, .357mag...

              The fact of the matter is that if the bad guy has the will and abililty to continue the fight...so must you!

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              • #8
                SScott
                Member
                • May 2009
                • 469

                edit
                Last edited by SScott; 11-11-2018, 3:28 PM.

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                • #9
                  para38super
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 614

                  Originally posted by SScott
                  I'm not trying to bring the 9mm vs. .whatever debate again.
                  It's just the the majority of stories like this involve 9mm or smaller.
                  Anyway it's just my own personal prejudice against that particular round.
                  +1 on this

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                  • #10
                    Omega13device
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2006
                    • 1943

                    There aren't significant differences between 9mm and .45 if you use good ammo:



                    Dr. Roberts is one of the most authoritative guys out there with respect to wound ballistics.

                    Relevant quote:
                    NONE of the common service pistol calibers generate temporary cavities of sufficient magnitude to cause significant tissue damage.... Keeping in mind that handguns generally offer poor incapacitation potential, bullets with effective terminal performance are available in all of the most commonly used duty pistol calibers—pick the one that you shoot most accurately, that is most reliable in the type of pistol you choose, and best suits you likely engagement scenarios.

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                    • #11
                      1911su16b870
                      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Dec 2006
                      • 7654

                      IMO the whole point is a motivated attacker will continue his assault until his body is unable to support it.

                      The same was true in '86 Miami.
                      "Bruen, the Bruen opinion, I believe, discarded the intermediate scrutiny test that I also thought was not very useful; and has, instead, replaced it with a text history and tradition test." Judge Benitez 12-12-2022

                      NRA Endowment Life Member, CRPA Life Member
                      GLOCK (Gen 1-5, G42/43), Colt AR15/M16/M4, Sig P320, Sig P365, Beretta 90 series, Remington 870, HK UMP Factory Armorer
                      Remington Nylon, 1911, HK, Ruger, Hudson H9 Armorer, just for fun!
                      I instruct it if you shoot it.

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                      • #12
                        BoJackUSMC
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Aug 2010
                        • 7091

                        You be surprise how people can still fight after getting shot by 5.56 and 7.62 caliber. The mind set of individual plays big role and I believe 9mm is good caliber in my opinion. Only caliber I ever saw someone who does not get up after getting hit was 50cal.

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                        • #13
                          titankeith
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2010
                          • 697

                          Originally posted by SScott
                          That's why I will never own a 9mm
                          +1...if I can't use a shotgun with 00 or a rifle, I'm using the biggest caliber handgun I can get with the highest velocity rounds. I'm not saying this dude would've gone done on the first shot...but I'd be willing to bet the fight would've ended sooner if the LEO had a .40 or .45.

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                          • #14
                            Samuelx
                            Senior Member
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 1558

                            I don't think it was a good idea but Kudos to Insp Scallon for taking action. He was extremely fortunate. Anyone know what happened to the layoff man?

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                            • #15
                              Omega13device
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 1943

                              Originally posted by titankeith
                              +1...if I can't use a shotgun with 00 or a rifle, I'm using the biggest caliber handgun I can get with the highest velocity rounds. I'm not saying this dude would've gone done on the first shot...but I'd be willing to bet the fight would've ended sooner if the LEO had a .40 or .45.
                              That's not the case based on the data.

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