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Like what? Do you really want to put yourself in danger of inmate assault, danger of contracting a nasty disease from some geneius throwing feces in your face? Working in a cesspool..with the lowest of the low...Now you want to take that home to your family with you every single night?
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Yeah I've been there and seen enough to last a lifetime. My comments are on the verge of bashing. NO WRONG, just telling the truth as I saw it. Good luck to you and your life of LASD and the CDC. If you have no other opportunity to earn a living, then I understand where you are coming from.Comment
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I greatly appreciate everyone help and comments on the subject, I tried to contact my BI today but to no avail, I will try again on monday and hopefully fill out some more applications for other counties and local departments, and for the record to anyone, i wasn't going to file an appeal in an irrational, or angry manner i simply want to understand more of why I was disqualified so i can improve upon whatever the reason was and hopefully keep that from affecting me in the futureComment
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Do you even know how much experience and maturity deputies gain thru working in jails even for one year? Many say its the best thing that could ever happen to them in law enforcement career. It enables you to develop the THICKEST SKIN in the world, which translates into way better policing and fostering relationships within the community and citizens. Everyday you have to deal with lowlifes and their threats, taunts, swearing, verbal bashing, etc., its no longer a big deal which means when you are on the streets as a patrol deputy, you can get on with everything in the utmost professionalism....even when people are calling you a "piece of sh*t!! dirty crooked cop!! racist!! and every other vile thing thrown at LEOs, you don't take it to heart. You can just blow it off and continue doing your job with no bias, anger, and frustration. You definitely end up treating people more humanely and with respect.
Not to bash LEOs but if you Youtube or Liveleak videos that show criminals getting roughed up, its usually because the person was being disrespectful, backtalking, talking crap about the cop, etc. And that more than usual, comes from taking all these actions to heart and overreacting to that. LASD deputies and many county sheriff deputies just blow it off and keep trucking.
Many top brass in LASD think that there is lower disproportion in officer related assaults, brawls, altercations, etc. as compared with every other police agency is because of that fact. Spending time in the county jails is more than a plus for themselves and the community.
There's a reason why LASD was specially invited to perform LEO duties and crowd control in Washington DC for Obama's inauguration and not LAPD or any other surrounding LA area police agencies. They are simply not known to rough people up for no reason and I think that has to do a little with the thick skin they develop in the jail system.Last edited by cmonk518; 09-25-2009, 3:58 PM.Comment
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do you have a Bachelor's degree from a 4 year university?
it's not required on paper but I have never heard of any "young buck" getting rejected when they have a 4 year degree when background wasn't a problem.
my advise to you is finish school, you can start LE career with higher pay with a BA/BS degree and college will open alot of doors for you else where such as federal LE jobs and the private sector.Last edited by neomentat; 09-25-2009, 4:02 PM."I will not fear, fear is the mind killer... I will face my fear and let it pass through me, only I will remain." Bene Gesserit trainingComment
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When I was in the process 12-13 years ago for the LAPD, they didn't polygraph. Has this changed?
The LASD did polygraph back then, as I recall.
I was in the hiring process for both, 99% there for LAPD (98 on the interview, passed the physical and mental evaluation, waiting on a background check before an academy date), but then Clinton hesitated on re-upping on the federal law enforcement funding and the queue got really long with all these ex-military guys whose extra 5 points on the oral interview pushed them above my 98 score
. Then I got married and needed health insurance and a steady job quickly -- the rest is history. No LEO job for me, much to my regret in some ways.
I've worked in online since then -- better money for the hours, but I keep wondering what could have been...
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I don't have a 4 year degree but i do have my certification from the Martial Arts Academy to become certified to teach, i didn't go to college as i was attending this academy (much like a trade school i guess) and i always intended to instruct in the arts, but i never thought that it would hurt me in the long run, I figured law enforcement agencies would need anyone certified in defensive tactics since how many of you actually know anyone who teaches defensive tactics, probably not a great choice, but its not like the skills Ive learned and taught over the years are useless, time to start applying at other agenciesComment
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My hat goes off out of respect to any SD or CD that works in the jails. I used to say I don't mind putting them in there but I sure would not want to deal with them all together in one place like they have to. You guys always treated me good and would even invite me to a meal when I would drop off my 10-16s. Here is to some real unsung heros.
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Yeah, thats a HUGE plus when applying when you are that young. Either being in the top 5% percentile doesn't hurt but its a pursuit of a Criminal Justice or pre-law degree that will have many depts. str8 giddy for you.
And as for the OP talking about being a Martial Arts instructor. Not to knock your skills or anything, but that will not help at all with your application. Agencies will never just handpick young deputies to go straight into teaching martial arts or self-defense, even if you are the craziest ***-kicker in the world. You can have 20 black belts, win competitions, and break concrete and none of that will really help as a PLUS, other than you maybe having an easier time in your physicals.
LASD, San Bernardino, and Riverside's head tactical and defensive instructors are all well seasoned LEOs who have been with the dept. for decades and have had more than their fair share of knives and bullets being thrown their way. It's not how much depth you have as a martial artist, but how much experience and background you've had while hitting the streets.Last edited by cmonk518; 09-25-2009, 4:43 PM.Comment
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I understand fully, and I never expected to be picked to start teaching immediately, I looked into in extensively and know that in order to even start working for any academy i needed to be patrol certified and i know this wasnt going to be an immediate thing, but many years of training and instructing I feel would give me a very good headstart, i know that i have not experienced what a seasoned LEO has but i do know what i instruct works and have my share of experiences as well, but i understand that more time is needed before i can proceed with this career choice, thankyou everyone for your guidance i appreciate it greatlyComment
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Why on earth you would want to be a cop is beyond me. LASD working in the jails.....Really????? What a horrible start.....Steve G, nothing in your comments contributes to the thread nor helps the OP. You have made your feelings known; if you can only contribute in a similar vein, do not post in this thread anymore.Like what? Do you really want to put yourself in danger of inmate assault, danger of contracting a nasty disease from some geneius throwing feces in your face? Working in a cesspool..with the lowest of the low...Now you want to take that home to your family with you every single night?Comment
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I think you should definitely look into becoming a Military Police Officer for a few years. That way, you not only kill two birds with one stone, you'll really shine once its time to get out and become a civilian LEO. You'll likely be on every police depts. radar wherever you apply if you spend a few years being an MP.
Plus with your enjoyment of martial arts, it should come in quite handy as an MP. I don't know if its still the same but I had a friends brother who became one and he said its quite a physical hands-on job. He was subduing and breaking up fights, brawls, and altercations of all sorts, even extremely intoxicated soldiers trying to accidentally fight him. It definitely doesn't hurt to check it out.
The one thing I don't know though is if you get a choice of staying in the US or abroad in performing your MP duties. I would think not....Comment
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Anyone that tells you to just apply to another agency, with the tacit advice of not disclosing your dq on the LASD B/G is doing your a grave dis-service. Your fingerprints are most likely already on file and any other agency doing a background will know you applied elsewhere. Guess what will happen when they find out you failed to disclose your LASD dq? You'll never get hired anywhere. If you feel you were wrongly dq'd appeal. First, I would contact the B/G investigator. Your B/G Investigator may advise you what they found and whether or not it is advisable for you to apply again.
Sometimes there are aspects in an applicant's background where judgement is questionable and it is determined that we want to see another year of maturity and job stability, etc. When I was doing backgrounds, we always brought applicants in and went over what we found and told them what they needed to do to resolve the issues, character, stability, etc. If you were inappropriately DQ'd, you need to resolve it. A DQ on a background makes it more difficult to be hired elsewhere, not impossible, but more difficult.Comment
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