Sig P320 safety complaints

[ap3572001]

The P226 is still a better gun, as is most of the P22X line. I am NOT a fan of striker fired guns. They have their purpose and many are considered safe but...

"The more they over think the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain." --Engineer Montgomery Scott
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4WJsp16CpY

Agree 100%. Sig P226 ( I have one made in Germany ) is superior to P320 or any current SIG USA pistols.

[eta34]

TPT has spoken. 🙄

[kilrain]

If that were the case, then Sig wouldn?t have 19 law suits now for the ?POS?320, for going (((BANG))) without ever pulling the trigger.

If that were the case, Sig wouldn?t have had a horrible design allowing the gun to go (((BANG))) with a rubber mallet simply striking the rear of the slide.

Sig should have FIRED the designers of that crap gun.

Face it, Sig USA sucks.

Thanks for your well reasoned, fact based and technically specific response that clears up whatever issue you perceive. Please, carry on...

[TrailerparkTrash]

Thanks for your well reasoned, fact based and technically specific response that clears up whatever issue you perceive. Please, carry on...

Ok, is that all you have in defense of the POS320?? Really? A jury wouldn?t by that defense. Fact: 19 lawsuits and counting against Sig for the POS320 firing without ever touching the trigger. What else more do you want? Hell, even Stevie Wonder can clearly see that the P320 is flawed.

Im still waiting for that Glock recall letter to arrive for any model they make because their gun will (not) fire when dropped from any height, including tossed out of a helicopter at 1,000 feet. Try that with the Sig.

https://youtu.be/rFd9GoQLd5Y?si=Ws0kVoGoyH9Ipxc_

[kilrain]

Ok, is that all you have in defense of the POS320?? Really? A jury wouldn?t by that defense. Fact: 19 lawsuits and counting against Sig for the POS320 firing without ever touching the trigger. What else more do you want? Hell, even Stevie Wonder can clearly see that the P320 is flawed.

Im still waiting for that Glock recall letter to arrive for any model they make because their gun will (not) fire when dropped from any height, including tossed out of a helicopter at 1,000 feet. Try that with the Sig.

https://youtu.be/rFd9GoQLd5Y?si=Ws0kVoGoyH9Ipxc_

Based on your emotional posts that are devoid of facts or reason, there really isn't anything else to say.

[tomk556]

When I look at the design of the 320 I can’t understand where the failure comes from. The charged striker alone doesn’t explain it. The striker block would be hard to bypass without movement of the trigger- and more than just partial travel. There’s also the second sear that would catch the striker if it slipped off the main face by being bumped or whatever. I’m not saying there couldn’t be a fundamental issue, but it’s at least a lot more complex of failure than just the charged striker. Don’t know that I’d be eager to carry one appendix carry till this mystery is resolved but on the hip sure.

[ap3572001]

When I look at the design of the 320 I can?t understand where the failure comes from. The charged striker alone doesn?t explain it. The striker block would be hard to bypass without movement of the trigger- and more than just partial travel. There?s also the second sear that would catch the striker if it slipped off the main face by being bumped or whatever. I?m not saying there couldn?t be a fundamental issue, but it?s at least a lot more complex of failure than just the charged striker. Don?t know that I?d be eager to carry one appendix carry till this mystery is resolved but on the hip sure.

I hope mystery will be resolved soon. I like shooting my P320's but carry my Glocks. Like I been for last 30 years.( Gen2/3/4/5). ZERO issues.

[BajaJames83]

Other than the initial upgrade which still passed industry standards for drop tests.

There hasnt been any proven mechanical failures.
Yes lots of lawsuits but so far all havent proven a thing.....
Facts are facts. Until something is proven as a mechanical failure and is repeatable in a controlled environment there is nothing wrong with the p320 design.

Just like glocks in the 90s it came down to training and equipment

[ap3572001]

Other than the initial upgrade which still passed industry standards for drop tests.

There hasnt been any proven mechanical failures.
Yes lots of lawsuits but so far all havent proven a thing.....
Facts are facts. Until something is proven as a mechanical failure and is repeatable in a controlled environment there is nothing wrong with the p320 design.

Just like glocks in the 90s it came down to training and equipment

Agree. In defense of P320 ( I have several) , mine been 100% reliable and easy to shoot accurately. The trigger is a little soft and lacks trigger safety. They are definitely not forgiving if not handled properly. The same can be said about any striker fired pistol when compared to DA/SA like a Beretta 92. Maybe that's why a lot of people still prefer to carry DA/SA hammer fired pistols . Time will tell . I am sure P320 " mystery " will get resolved.

[TrailerparkTrash]

When I look at the design of the 320 I can?t understand where the failure comes from.

^^^Sig USA approves this statement.

Sig designed it and they still can?t quite figure it out.

The charged striker alone doesn?t explain it.

True, as S&W M&P 2.0 for example has the same similar operating design. However the big difference is that M&P?s haven?t gone (((BANG))) without pulling the trigger. They don?t go (((BOOM))) when dropped nor struck with a rubber mallet either. ?unlike the POS320 series of pistols have.

I?m not saying there couldn?t be a fundamental issue, but?

Sig quietly and quickly redesigned/replaced the sear with the early P320?s and it did reduce the number of reported fingerless ?mystery shootings,? but didn?t eliminate them completely.

?it?s at least a lot more complex of failure than just the charged striker. Don?t know that I?d be eager to carry one appendix carry till this mystery is resolved but on the hip sure.

Yup, it?s the ghost in the machine, that?s for sure.

[Tere_Hanges]

Sig quietly and quickly redesigned/replaced the sear with the early P320

Sig has been very transparent about the changes they made to the P320 including replacing the sear. See the video above that I posted, which is from the Sig website. They've posted this information on their own website for anyone to easily find.

Quickly making changes to enhance safety is a good thing.

You are being overly emotional about the P320. It may have issues but while others are being objective and unemotional, you are really going off on it like you have a personal grievance against Sig, which just isn't rational.

[tomk556]

^^^Sig USA approves this statement.

Sig designed it and they still can?t quite figure it out.


True, as S&W M&P 2.0 for example has the same similar operating design. However the big difference is that M&P?s haven?t gone (((BANG))) without pulling the trigger. They don?t go (((BOOM))) when dropped nor struck with a rubber mallet either. ?unlike the POS320 series of pistols have.


Sig quietly and quickly redesigned/replaced the sear with the early P320?s and it did reduce the number of reported fingerless ?mystery shootings,? but didn?t eliminate them completely.


Yup, it?s the ghost in the machine, that?s for sure.

You miss my point- I?m acknowledging there could be something in the design but looking at it it?s definitely not as obvious as you suggest it is. What do you specifically point to as the design flaw that allows the charged striker to reach the primer?

[Tere_Hanges]

You miss my point- I?m acknowledging there could be something in the design but looking at it it?s definitely not as obvious as you suggest it is. What do you specifically point to as the design flaw that allows the charged striker to reach the primer?

IMHO, this is the real question that no one has been able to answer. There's a lot of talk about fully cocked strikers, but that in and of itself doesn't completely explain how the gun could fire by itself. Some how the striker slips off the sear. But how? No one has been able to offer any explanations of how this happens. Other than something getting in the trigger guard and unintentionally depressing the trigger, which is user error.

[Supersapper]

IMHO, this is the real question that no one has been able to answer. There's a lot of talk about fully cocked strikers, but that in and of itself doesn't completely explain how the gun could fire by itself. Some how the striker slips off the sear. But how? No one has been able to offer any explanations of how this happens. Other than something getting in the trigger guard and unintentionally depressing the trigger, which is user error.

I agree, though it might not be one thing but rather a combination of things that are totaling up to the failure. Perhaps the striker/sear engagement surface area is too small making it too sensitive to shock. Perhaps a spring too strong or too weak depending one which one. Perhaps both. Perhaps Sig might be the victim of their own success with tolerances too tight so that the slightest shock makes it give way.

This has always been my issue with strikers...overcomplicated with a lot of tiny little moving parts all of which have to operate seamlessly. Don't get me wrong, I like my XD and Lugers, but if I ever had to carry them, it would be Isreali style: empty chamber. However, that is a generally not recommended at all for EDC, so if I were to EDC with anything, it would be a hammer fired pistol.

[tomk556]

I agree, though it might not be one thing but rather a combination of things that are totaling up to the failure. Perhaps the striker/sear engagement surface area is too small making it too sensitive to shock. Perhaps a spring too strong or too weak depending one which one. Perhaps both. Perhaps Sig might be the victim of their own success with tolerances too tight so that the slightest shock makes it give way.

This has always been my issue with strikers...overcomplicated with a lot of tiny little moving parts all of which have to operate seamlessly. Don't get me wrong, I like my XD and Lugers, but if I ever had to carry them, it would be Isreali style: empty chamber. However, that is a generally not recommended at all for EDC, so if I were to EDC with anything, it would be a hammer fired pistol.

I agree- for the failure to occur it basically needs to slip past two sears and then past the striker block. It?s entirely possible there?s an issue- I don?t really buy the mallet example but it would have to be a strange force like that- maybe from the magazine- that would both bump the striker off both sears while also bumping the striker safety up. I also wonder if it could be something like the grip, and thus FCU, being torqued slightly away from the slide. Or maybe it?s just the hype? if there is an issue hopefully the solution is a relatively simple redesign of the striker or a change in material etc.

I will say too that if Sig is saying some of these pops are due to improper holster use like the recent lobby one I am highly skeptical of that. I definitely don?t see how a pistol otherwise retained by the ALS system would be susceptible to trigger movement just because the retention loop was supposedly not in place.