ADCO firearms Not CA or L/E friendly

[TheBundo]

Did I mention also that ADCO is a site sponsor at Arfcom and so my thread that I posted in Brothers of the shield about Adco's feelings toward CA leo's was locked and trashed...

Again his company his rules and I'm fine with that but California leo's spend your money elsewhere.

Yes, send your money to the defense fund of the cops that beat the guy in LA after the car chase. You know, the one who kicked the guy who ran and layed down prone, and the cop that kicked him in the face, and the other one who whacked him with a flashlight. Send your money to them.

j/k

The day of reckoning is coming for those folks, so DON'T send your money to them. Distance yourself from such behavior as much as possible.

[TheBundo]

You obviously have no clue how a large (9,000 +) law enforcement agency works. On our department, it takes a captain or above to use letterhead.

As a law enforcement officer, I can walk into a gun store and purchase a Hi-cap magazine just by showing my department ID. A letter has not been required since the stupid federal ban expired.

As far as opinions that law enforcement people are not "above the law" you are right. The law specifically allows us to purchase hi-cap mags, so get over it. I don't like the law any more than you do, but I'm only one vote, and I don't vote for anyone who is anti-gun.

As yes, a GSG can be an excellent training tool for those that carry the MP-5. While it doesn't go full auto, it has a very similar feel and many departments don't have the budget for lots of training ammo so those of us that believe in being able to hit only what needs shooting, spend a great deal of our own money on training ammo.

By the way Blackwater Ops, your posts tend to be very anti-cop so why don't you stay out of the LEO forum. You obviously don't fit in, so why don't you just GO AWAY !

You have a lot of forums that nobody can get into, why don't you just go there. We are for Constitutional Rights, and if you don't like it, why don't YOU just go away. And just to give you a look into the crystal ball, anyone against those rights will lose in the end. They will end up like the Gestapo, running as they they shed their uniforms. Don't be one of them.

[cousinkix1953]

Or maybe he is anti-doublestandard/special privileges.

Does he have the same policy about exporting off-roster handguns for sale to cops as well? I can just see some hot shot attorneys filing wrongful death suits against cities and counties that permit LEOs to use so-called dangerous handguns!

Did a BART police officer shoot Oscar Grant with an off-roster handgun? His family should go after them if true. A case like this would put an end to this double standard and expose a big lie for what it really is...

[TheBundo]

But we are special. Months of initial training, years of continuing training, unusual working hours and conditions, countless life or death situations where a split second decision is essential....yeah, we're special, don't let anyone tell you were not.

There are streets in LA you wouldn't go down for a million bucks, I do it for a lot less.

Blackwater OPS, you are OBVIOUSLY NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT, so why don't your STAY OUT OF THIS FORUM !

GO AWAY !

Two Words: SPECIAL OLYMPICS (for you). A lot of us have to work in those same places. Consider being the person that has to paint out graffiti at a shopping center, in FULL VIEW of everyone, INCLUDING the GUN-TOTING guys who did the graffiti. WHAT, are you going to gaurd us the whole time. You arrogant jerk. How about the utility guy fixing something the bad guys cut in preparation for something future, and you guys don't connect the dots until it's to late (for me/us).

"Unusual working hours and conditions"

give me a break. You are an ELITIST *** for saying that. I DARE you to PM me with who you are, and I will gladly take YOU on a RIDE-ALONG without your gun, and see how YOU feel.
You ride in with the cavalry, with "re-inforcements", most of us are "F-***" vulnerable (speaking of terms used against CA cops that are ELITIST, and think THEY have the MOST dangerous jobs, you aren't even CLOSE to the top - how do you compare to the guys hanging over high-wires from helicopter buckets - geez)

"countless life or death situations where a split second decision is essential....yeah, we're special, don't let anyone tell you were not"

I won't tell you that you don't have a special place, but so do MANY of us (not all, Burger King workers aren't, etc, I know). Do you realize that those of us that keep your communications, electrical, etc., up and running, can't have high-cap mags, CCW's (in the most populous counties). You HORDES of COPS in those counties aren't doing a DAMN THING to help us get our rights, ARE YOU????? (except for the San Jose Cop on YouTube talking de-bunking "assault weapons")

You are hence on the wrong side of history, if you don't support us (who support what the Constitution and the Founding Fathers said), and become one of us (who support what the Constitution and the Founding Fathers said). The old-timer cops know the future if this isn't reversed, because John Demjanjuk just got put in prison in Germany for his WW2 crimes, and he's 89. You youngsters thought WW2 was ancient history, and the DMV protection of your address will save you if you are a wrongdoer / beater of citizens like the guy in LA today? Think again, and DON'T be an elitist. And all the deposed rulers, like Noriega and Imelda Marcos know how well Elitism works. It works out badly. Your best bet is to be a defender of the Constitution regardless of threats, pensions, etc. Pensions can all go away like farts in the wind, especially for you young pups

I say all this, not because I am against LEO and the rule of law, but because I am FOR it. I want each of you to look into your soul, and whenever you have a dealing with a member of the public, to treat it as an INDIVIDUAL incident, UNRELATED to all your other experiences. We are almost ALL people like you, and indeed, in most cases ARE YOU.

[matrix056]

Obviously someone missed the point of the Columbine, North Hollywood (my bad) and VT shootings. Its called an "ACTIVE SHOOTER" situation. Yes, they raided civilian gun shops b/c the brass didnt think they would need rifles for patrol duties, how things have changed. You also missed the part about parolees having hi-cap mags, dont think that they dont have AK's, AR's, SKS' and what ever rifle you can think of. Do you think they bother to abide by the CA law of 10 rounds per mag.

Considering these are our clientele, I suppose we should have the proper equipment (and train with the proper equipment) to match our needs. If that includes having hi-cap mags for our off-duty gun, dont get mad, move to Nevada.

[JagerTroop]

Obviously someone missed the point of the Columbine, North Hollywood (my bad) and VT shootings. Its called an "ACTIVE SHOOTER" situation. Yes, they raided civilian gun shops b/c the brass didnt think they would need rifles for patrol duties, how things have changed. You also missed the part about parolees having hi-cap mags, dont think that they dont have AK's, AR's, SKS' and what ever rifle you can think of. Do you think they bother to abide by the CA law of 10 rounds per mag.

Considering these are our clientele, I suppose we should have the proper equipment (and train with the proper equipment) to match our needs. If that includes having hi-cap mags for our off-duty gun, dont get mad, move to Nevada.

Oh. So instead of standing up for my rights, I should just tuck tail and run? I don't think so.

Also, maybe I missed the point you were trying to make about Columbine, VT, and N. Hollywood. Please elaborate. I thought I was clear when I said that hi caps played no part in those situations. If LEO was able to carry 10x as many rounds, would that have penetrated body armor? Would hi caps have somehow transported LEO to the scene faster in VT? What was the reason police didn't neutralize the Columbine kids? Lack of ammo capacity? These are horrible examples of the need for larger ammo capacity.

On a side note, I just had a funny thought. You initially said west hollywood... I was just picturing the residents of Boystown running around like prissy little commandoes holding pink AKs

[PatriotnMore]

Jesus Bundo, I know we have had some differences of opinion, but your post(s) are right on. I have purposely stayed out of this for reasons of my own, and although some may think the wording harsh, your points are spot on.

Wow, what a thread. I was going to respond earlier, but wanted to see if the other referenced thread was linked. I didn't need to get far to see where the "cop" was at (in the other thread), a pro-Obama, dis-arm everyone else guy. I know, maybe that's a leap from what he said, but I strongly suspect that's where he is at.

As to "I don't hear people crying about the military on Pendelton or the movie studios for having all the toys like select fire guns", I would say this: the military and the movie studios don't ever wrongfully hassle or beat citizens (and NEITHER do MOST cops - but the military and movie studios NEVER do). And they never bother people about stupid gun laws that are legal for THEM in their private life, as an LEO. Too many LEO's lose touch with normal people's reality, and only hang with other LEO's (talking LEO stuff), and their wives start hanging with LEO wives, and hence there comes a dis-connect with Joe Good Citizen.

Cops always tell us what they "need", like "hands on the wheel, turn on the dome light", etc. Let me tell you what the citizen needs, as I see it. We need cops with COURAGE against the politicians, the upper management that turn into liberal politicians (and not cowards who will do or say anything to protect their pension, because something like the Lautenburg Act can end your dreams immediately). Remember, these same politicians caused hundreds of thousands of you to be summarily fired because of the Lautenburg Act, sometimes with 30+ years since the "offense". Once the upper echelons that really run things decide to start a more rapid rotation of LEO's out of power, you will see how vulnerable you too are.

All I ask is that you see things from all sides, and realize that we are all human, with fatal frailties. Cops personal lives, as a class, are no more virtuous than Joe Public's, as a class. We are all against the thugs. Don't go against Joe Public's God-given right and instinst to protect himself, something you can't nearly always do for him (thanks for trying, though).

Consider how many murders there are a year in the US. While those aren't a LEO failure, because you have no crystal ball, they ARE a failure of the law and societal attitudes, when the law and societal attitudes lead, or force, people to be defenseless. True, many murders couldn't be prevented in any way, but many could have been if there was a moral gun-friendly super-majority of the public. You LEO's, who can CCW anywhere in America, probably don't realize what an incredible sense of fresh air and freedom it is for the rest of us to legally drive through Nevada, for instance, with a loaded gun in the car, fully legal.

Just imagine the harmony that would come between lawful CA gunowners and cops in CA if it were that way here. Look at all the ridiculous waste of time wasted here talking about how to get from point A to B with such and such gun (legal transport, etc.), by someone who is in all respects, a "fellow good guy".

The sick state of California literally grieves my soul

[yzErnie]

Wow, quite a bit of harshness going on here...from both directions. I think that nonsense needs to stop.

The bottom line (at least for me) is this, an LEO can have high caps and a non-LEO cannot. Like it or not, that is the law of the land right now. I would say that the overwhelming majority of law enforcement would like to see the good citizens armed AND would not mind the good citizens allowed CCW. The problem is not with the LEO's who possess high cap mags, the problem is with the morons in Sacramento who will not allow everyone to have them.

Until we all band together with the correct mindsets and work feverishly to change that law nothing will change. It seems to me the mentality is it is easier for some to sit behind the sanctity of a keyboard and talk crap than it is to actually take steps to change the law. Where is the NRA?

People can try to belittle me, degrade me, call me an elitist or try to humiliate me about my lawful right to carry high cap mags all they want to. I will guarantee you, without a doubt, if anyone had the ability to possess high caps and other could not, the could haves would possess them. Leo's are no different than that.

Let's quit this biznatch bickering nonsense and return to the intent of this sub-forum.

[DLaw]

Again guys,this post was not about whether or not L/E should or should not be able to own high cap mags. The AW ban and high cap mag restrictions are not something I'm in agreement with.

My issue is with the owners attitude towards L/E...That's all..If he doesn't want to do business with Cal LEO's then I feel I should advise my fellow LEO's of his attitude towards us that's all...

[JagerTroop]

The problem is not with the LEO's who possess high cap mags, the problem is with the morons in Sacramento who will not allow everyone to have them.

You are absolutely correct

[biglou]

Wow is the correct word. Yzernie you are spot on. LE can legally purchase hi cap mags in Cali. LE can purchase off list handguns, legally in Cali. So with my LE credential why wouldn't I ? Because Bundo can't ? I don't think it is right that ANY American (who's not a felon) should be restricted. To try and change it I vote. I write the law makers and try to get others to vote and educate them on the Constitution. I'm fighting the soft war now so my son can have his freedom. Bundo are you fighting the soft war ? As far as these school shootings go, it has nothing to do with hi cap mags. The Hollywood bank robbery/shootout, a head shot would have ended that quickly. It's hard to do though when a criminal is spraying you with lead. And if the Police do head shots the public would be putting them on charges. "Cops always tell us what they "need", like "hands on the wheel, turn on the dome light", etc." Hey Bundo, when I tell you these commands, yes commands, I'll also have my hand on my pistol or be at the low ready until I determine otherwise. You want citizens to drive around armed to help protect each other. We can't even a get co-operating witness or people to call 911. We'll just have people driving around saying "It's not my problem, protect yourself." Now i'm starting to rant like you. That's not what this forum is for. The OP is letting other CA LAW ENFORCEMENT consumers know about a vendors stance on hi caps. He is suggesting others to ban from doing business with him. It is up to each individual to make their own decision.

[Matt C]

The bottom line (at least for me) is this, an LEO can have high caps and a non-LEO cannot. Like it or not, that is the law of the land right now.

That's not, strictly speaking, what the laws says at all.

[pummel]

wow indeed

So Bundo, you think that the military never hassles citizens? Mind you, I say this a former soldier(who is proud of my service), but WTH are you talking about? You mean here in the States? If so then I say true, in the last few decades anyway. It wasn't that long ago that national gurard units were used to stamp out civil unrest, etc. But in our foreign conflicts, come on! Many, many terrible tragedies caused by some of our troops(many of which never made the news) but hey, they're not US citizens, so you don't need to include them in your "never" statement.
Also your mention of the El Monte PD incident was pure pot stirring, even if you put j/k at the end. When the shoe is on the other foot and all gun owners are looked at as evil because of the actions of a few bad apples, everyone on here rallies together, reaffirming that they are just as opposed to the bad guys actions as everyone else. As a Police Officer, I do the same when some yahoo abuses the authority he has. I would imagine most LEOs do.
Contrary to what some of you guys think, we're not sent out every shift with ticket and citizen harrassing quotas.
Anywho, we all have opinions. As far as the original topic, I understand that the seller has the right to refuse service to anyone, but there are ways to do things and ways not to. That's why I'll pass on ADCO from now on.

[CaliTheKid]

That's not, strictly speaking, what the laws says at all.

Yep. Non-leo's can have hi-caps if they had them prior to the ban but thats what I think thats what Yzernie meant to infer. Non-leo's can't purchase fully assembled hi cap mags now would be another way to look at it.

[cousinkix1953]

Some of those UNELECTED police chiefs are fascists who don't like the first amendment either. Sgt. Leroy Pyle might of been the first LEO to be punished for exercising his first amendment rights twenty years ago. Ask him what happens to rank and file LEOs, who oppose the anti-gun agenda of their corrupt bosses. They get raked over the coals just like Miss Kalifornia; because she doesn't follow the politically correct line either.

LEOs know the handgun roster is a fraud, or they wouldn't be buying so-called unsafe models either.

Mocking the assault weapons ban in public is a good way to wind up working the graveyard shift, even if somebody has lots of seniority. KRON visited a shooting range in the late 80s. A reporter interviewed several LEOs about assault rifles. They covered their badges and name tags. An effort was made not to show the shoulder patches of what agencies employed them. Those guys also wore ski masks and channel 4 digitally modified their voices. A dictator (police chief) doesn't lose a lot of sleep over trashing the Constitution.

There was even a fascist sheriff in Santa Cruz, who demanded that KSCO 1080 AM fire one of their talk show hosts over political disagreement. Thank God that he's retired.