Q: for LEO conserning tailgating

[Dano3467]

So was ruthlessly tailgated for no apparent reason yesterday, buy a woman (use the term loosely here) in a pickup truck. my speed 38m/hr in 45 approaching side street with vehicle entering roadway.

Truck zooms up behind me (no exaggeration here) now only 2ft from me, I slow down to not crowed merging vehicle, an slow to 32 & allow time for said vehicle to make speed (next stop sign only 50yds away now).

Woman for some reason thinks climbing up to less than 10" now is a good idea, I think she's an idiot ( my perception here) she continues this poor behavior & close's the gap even more.

( Thanks to Calguns I know now that small car hate is real, as those that do it have admitted to it) Thanks guys, could of lived my whole life not knowing this.

When reaching stop sign she pulls on me to the point of zero inch's now. I'm taking this as a sign of aggression at this point. She obviously has a stick up her butt, IMO. Just not sure why.

Now my vehicle is 2nd in line at stop, she's trying to push me (without actually making contact)

I make her pause at stop (I'm second car back) for an extra 12-14 seconds (well just because, some will know what I mean) approach sign then after stopping at sign added another 8 second pause because she won't get off my *****.

Now turn right head down to pick up wife from work, this lame excuse for human a life now follows me like I just side swiped her truck.

Follows me all the way in (dead end road), I stop short of where I park to let her pass thinking she works there, No that's not it she's not finished with this.

At this point I'm thinking I should confront her, but unwilling to exit vehicle to do so, as I believe she will likely run me over.

I turn around to come along side to tell her what a POS she is, she backs up turns her truck around & stops at other parking across from the small street (25yds away) that comes in to this place. I flash my lights at her as to say u-suck, she pulls her phone out an begins to (I think record).

Now it gets more fun, security guard is walking around, she pulls next to him (I guessing to tell her fable to him) I don't think the guard needed a one sided story, (as we all know how men will believe any woman, even with pictures of her killing someone) so I yell out the window what a rotten & dangerous driver she is, & to learn how to drive !.

Now I go back to pick up wife from work. game over.


1. At what point does the act of tailgating become Dangerous or Reckless ?

2. An when does the dangerous driving become Reckless vehicle use for Intimidation ?

3. Is she in her right to drive like this, is this even a driving offence, I say this only because I've never heard or seen anyone anywhere be sited for such driving skills.

I drive a small car, & this is not the very 1st episode with trucks throwing the weight around to be the hateful driver. But this is definitely one of the bolder people I've run across, who (would seem) would risk everything to be That Tard.


Yeah I know cool story bra !

Thanks LEO for thoughts & insight on this worrisome & down right dangerous situation.

[dousan]

You were looking for trouble
Pull over, let her pass. Move on with life

I'm not an leo, but I'm pretty sure that's what they'll say.

You weren't helping the situation.

I make her pause at stop (I'm second car back) for an extra 12-14 seconds (well just because, some will know what I mean) approach sign then after stopping at sign added another 8 second pause because she won't get off my *****.

[Dano3467]

Now that was stupid, or maybe I should of stated there was NO WHERE to pull over.

Thanks for chiming in with that lameness. god help us

[splaturn]

It takes two to tango...and you obviously were up for it. You made her sit needlessly at a stop sign for 14 seconds? Then another 8?

Yeah, you're not so innocent either.

Call dousan's suggestion lame all you want, I'm sure everyone will agree that you helped fuel this fire.

Next time call the police immediately to make a report. You can also pull out your camera and record or pretend to record, that de-escalates a lot of situations, too.

[P5Ret]

So your driving below the speed limit, you slow down even more to allow a car to turn onto the road in front of you and complain about the car wanting to drive the speed limit behind you? Perhaps you should read this,

22400. (a) No person shall drive upon a highway at such a slow speed as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of traffic unless the reduced speed is necessary for safe operation, because of a grade, or in compliance with law.
No person shall bring a vehicle to a complete stop upon a highway so as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of traffic unless the stop is necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law.
and this,
21802. (a) The driver of any vehicle approaching a stop sign at the entrance to, or within, an intersection shall stop as required by Section 22450. The driver shall then yield the right-of-way to any vehicles which have approached from another highway, or which are approaching so closely as to constitute an immediate hazard, and shall continue to yield the right-of-way to those vehicles until he or she can proceed with reasonable safety.

There is nothing in the law that requires you to allow a car to enter onto the highway you are driving on from a different highway, the exact opposite is true they can not enter the highway if your vehicle is close enough to cause a hazard. People slowing down or stopping to allow someone off a side street or private driveway have cause collisions, where I have written them as driver 1 at fault for the collision.

Based solely on your story, yes she was driving aggressively, but you sure weren't helping the situation any, and were just as much to blame as she was. You can't play the victim when you initially caused the problem by driving under the speed limit, and then holding her up at the stop sign for no reason other than you felt like it.

[Dano3467]

Cameras going in next month for these hateful situations,

NO it doesn't take two to tango, when one of them is NUTS ! & I assure you was not I.

It's saddening to be subject to this behavior from (would be) adults, to think one's life is so worthless & they would pull this kind of stunt.


I've had it & will post Video's to LEO FB page when these lame excuse for human beings that would pull the tard card.

Will also post up to any an all Auto Insurance sites I can find or FB page I can locate, with lic plate included.

Maybe when these peoples Ins. rates increase (or comes to court for another death defying interaction), this will slow, I doubt it though, as the old saying go's "YOU CAN"T FIX STUPID !" but will try none the less.


FYI: those pauses were after the fact of total escalation (what ever the he** she was thinking was in motion before she got to me) , she was already at Defcon 1 she was already ballistic, a couple seconds either way were not going to change a thing from this female/shemale.

I see this situation as not unlike Democrats, they do what they want, no matter who it hurts or how illegal it is or who it may kill or injure. & they seem to get a pass, not unlike here.

But thanks anyway.

[Dano3467]

First off, post was a Q: that means answers to the question 1,2,3. at hand, but instead, we get interjection from peanut gallery.

I gave my take, & that's all you ran with, nice Democratic move there.

P5Ret: you clearly read & interpreted as you like, nice going, remind me not to have you on jury.

Just what kind of truck do you drive ? & was that your daughter yesterday diving it ? cause it's sounding like your protecting someone !

Thanks for the insight

Now if someone with brains could please step up an give answer to these Q: if it's not to much trouble.


Trying to say something to CG on this forum seems just like working with the LEFT at times, many here will run it to ground before you give an inch in any positive manner, real nice !

It's no wonder we can't win or get anything done to protect our rights, we are easy pickings IMHO.

[Blade Gunner]

So was ruthlessly tailgated for no apparent reason yesterday, buy a woman (use the term loosely here) in a pickup truck. my speed 38m/hr in 45 approaching side street with vehicle entering roadway.

Truck zooms up behind me (no exaggeration here) now only 2ft from me, I slow down to not crowed merging vehicle, an slow to 32 & allow time for said vehicle to make speed (next stop sign only 50yds away now).

Woman for some reason thinks climbing up to less than 10" now is a good idea, I think she's an idiot ( my perception here) she continues this poor behavior & close's the gap even more.

( Thanks to Calguns I know now that small car hate is real, as those that do it have admitted to it) Thanks guys, could of lived my whole life not knowing this.

When reaching stop sign she pulls on me to the point of zero inch's now. I'm taking this as a sign of aggression at this point. She obviously has a stick up her butt, IMO. Just not sure why.

Now my vehicle is 2nd in line at stop, she's trying to push me (without actually making contact)

I make her pause at stop (I'm second car back) for an extra 12-14 seconds (well just because, some will know what I mean) approach sign then after stopping at sign added another 8 second pause because she won't get off my *****.

Now turn right head down to pick up wife from work, this lame excuse for human a life now follows me like I just side swiped her truck.

Follows me all the way in (dead end road), I stop short of where I park to let her pass thinking she works there, No that's not it she's not finished with this.

At this point I'm thinking I should confront her, but unwilling to exit vehicle to do so, as I believe she will likely run me over.

I turn around to come along side to tell her what a POS she is, she backs up turns her truck around & stops at other parking across from the small street (25yds away) that comes in to this place. I flash my lights at her as to say u-suck, she pulls her phone out an begins to (I think record).

Now it gets more fun, security guard is walking around, she pulls next to him (I guessing to tell her fable to him) I don't think the guard needed a one sided story, (as we all know how men will believe any woman, even with pictures of her killing someone) so I yell out the window what a rotten & dangerous driver she is, & to learn how to drive !.

Now I go back to pick up wife from work. game over.


1. At what point does the act of tailgating become Dangerous or Reckless ?

2. An when does the dangerous driving become Reckless vehicle use for Intimidation ?

3. Is she in her right to drive like this, is this even a driving offence, I say this only because I've never heard or seen anyone anywhere be sited for such driving skills.

I drive a small car, & this is not the very 1st episode with trucks throwing the weight around to be the hateful driver. But this is definitely one of the bolder people I've run across, who (would seem) would risk everything to be That Tard.


Yeah I know cool story bra !

Thanks LEO for thoughts & insight on this worrisome & down right dangerous situation.

You have the wrong small car. Drive a Porsche (or similar) take her into a freeway 270 degree turn on ramp at track speed and watch the pickup slide into the weeds. Problem solved.

[tumark2]

Once I spotted a car late at night coming up fast behind me, I didnt know who they were but pulled over to let them pass me. He pulled in behind me and turned on his pretty lights.
When the LEO came to window he said " I thought you might be someone I was looking for but before I could see you were not, you pulled over for me"
OP if I were you pull over let her pass, if that doesnt work drive to the PO PO and let them start a three way group therapy session

[P5Ret]

First off, post was a Q: that means answers to the question 1,2,3. at hand, but instead, we get interjection from peanut gallery.

I gave my take, & that's all you ran with, nice Democratic move there.

P5Ret: you clearly read & interpreted as you like, nice going, remind me not to have you on jury.

Just what kind of truck do you drive ? & was that your daughter yesterday diving it ? cause it's sounding like your protecting someone !

Thanks for the insight

Now if someone with brains could please step up an give answer to these Q: if it's not to much trouble.


Trying to say something to CG on this forum seems just like working with the LEFT at times, many here will run it to ground before you give an inch in any positive manner, real nice !

It's no wonder we can't win or get anything done to protect our rights, we are easy pickings IMHO.

Your story based on 20+ years of LE experience showed me that you were probably in violation of at least one of the sections of the vehicle code I quoted.

You just can't admit that you didn't escalate the problem once it came to you. Your poor decision to slow even further below the speed limit, for no lawful reason, and then to hold at the stop sign for no lawful reason, demonstrates poor decision making ability. The smart move would have been to extricate yourself from it and let her go.

Following too closely or tailgating isn't going to reach the level of reckless driving without some other violation to go along with it. Nor can you make up laws to see if it fits. There is no such law as using a vehicle for intimidation. As already stated she was in violation of 21703 CVC. But that doesn't get you out of the 22400(a) you admit to.

Sorry I'm not taking the bait, you want to make it personal and accuse me or my family of something knock yourself out, sounds like something a 12 year old would do. Just for the record my daughter was on her way home from the Napa fire's yesterday after their strike team was released, so the truck she was driving yesterday was a big red International wildland rig.

[ZirconJohn]

Pull over - let tailgater pass - Continue your normal existence - Wall of text on CGN avoided as well - All is good in a normal world.

[Dano3467]

Once again: where does one pull over when there is no place to pull over ? into oncoming traffic ? as that is all that's left.

Once again vehicle merged in front of me, do I
1. keep speed to satisfy the tailgater an plow vehicle that merged ? that's smart
2. Apply brake to slow to avoid colliding with said merger an avoid accident ? but doing so decrease collision speed with tailgater if it comes to that ?

With CG brain trust, just like Sacramento, there is no win.

Maybe I could of handled the stop sign differently, but this bit** was off her Meds, & screwed in the head, not unlike some here.

Maybe very soon you'll experience something very similar, & no one will believe a word you say, & you eat Shat for it, on that day you'll come to the realization that your know it all attitude will bit you in the rear HARD.

Thanks again for the back up, this is why we lose our rights, we take each other apart & throw conjecture out, to look good to fellow CGners of same mined set.

You guys are AWESOME !

[ZirconJohn]

Still too much text - not reading - pulling over to let you pass ... see-ya

[hunterb]

OP is super passive aggressive. Retaliates and escalates situation....

When that is pointed out to him he gets angry and starts with personal attacks and talks trash about people's families.

Take a deep breath OP.....a retired cop just gave you his professional opinion and then you decided to talk crap about his daughter....way out of line.

[Dano3467]

^^^uses firearms should be jailed, gun are dangerous !^^^