Article on LASD M&P 9 accidental discharges

[Bobby Ricigliano]

Does it matter? Clearly something has occured for the # of AD, i am merely pointing out an obvious answer for it, whether it is accurate for all or not i dont know, thats why its hypothetical, i personally dont go around blaming the gun for ADs,

Either that or the only other explanation is the LASD deputies are poorly trained as i never heard of this problem when LAPD switched to glock

Does it matter if you appoint yourself the spokesman for LASD and post hypothetical nonsense? Yes, it does. You didn't label your assertions as "hypothetical" until I told you you were wrong. Before that it seemed like insider expertise.

I can't comment on LAPD practices because I don't work there and I don't know how they train. But what you "heard of" means zero unless you have direct access to their records.

I have been through the conversion training and it was quite thorough. Unlimited range time and ammo is also available for those who seek it afterwards. Blame for ND's lies squarely with the shooter and I am not defending it.

And before someone posts nonsense about these people getting a pass or the department taking ND's lightly, that is not the case either. They can fully expect to be on the hook administratively, criminally, and civilly when applicable.

[veeklog]

I believe the problem lies with the shooter, not the weapon platform. When I left my old agency to my current agency 14 years ago, I went from a Berreta to Glock. The Berreta had a DAO trigger, the Glock Trigger was relatively smoother. But the same principles apply, whether it was a Berreta or Glock: keep you finger off of trigger until you are ready to fire.

IMHO the people who had the AD's were probably doing the same shooter errors with the Berreta as they are with the M&P, but because of the long DA pull of the Berreta, the platform was more forgiving and they didn't have an AD. The M&P platform is less forgiving on the trigger pull, therefore the rash of AD's. So it is not the fault of the weapon, and old habits now need to be addressed and re mediated.

[Rico911]

Since it was mentioned, does anyone here have knowledge of symilar problems when LAPD transitionrled to Glock?

The article stated LAPD is also issuing the M&P, anyone have word or conformation on that?

[Bobby Ricigliano]

Since it was mentioned, does anyone here have knowledge of symilar problems when LAPD transitionrled to Glock?

The article stated LAPD is also issuing the M&P, anyone have word or conformation on that?

I have seen several LAPD officers carrying 1911's lately.

[roger1022]

Since it was mentioned, does anyone here have knowledge of symilar problems when LAPD transitionrled to Glock?

The article stated LAPD is also issuing the M&P, anyone have word or conformation on that?

Have seen a few LAPD officers with the M&P.

I have seen several LAPD officers carrying 1911's lately.

I've seen that as well.

[Bobby Ricigliano]

Ironically, I think the Beretta is a better weapon overall and I shoot better with it. However, the lighter weight, additional rounds, better sights, light rail, and trigger make the M&P a better duty gun.

[micro911]

M&P pistols are not the best choice in my opinion. I was issued the M&P9 about couple of years ago. I carried it for a while, but I went back to SIG P226.

I had my share of issues with my M&P. We even had a meeting with big people from S&W about it.

I wish they approve H&K VP9.

[KD714]

Since it was mentioned, does anyone here have knowledge of symilar problems when LAPD transitionrled to Glock?

The article stated LAPD is also issuing the M&P, anyone have word or conformation on that?

No they have not.

LAPD is fanatical about firearm safety and drill it into you incessantly.

The transition to Glocks required going to a two day "Glock Transition School" and qualifications. They are so strict that if an officer violates the safety rules they are sent home and will have come back and retake the class at a future date.

[Ron-Solo]

Mongo sez, Keep booger hook off bang lever......

[CBR_rider]

Regardless of training, not all sworn LEO's are gun enthusiasts (unfortunately). In large departments, training is too far and few. This just compounds things.

Eh, I'm of the opinion that one doesn't have to be a firearm "enthusiast" to be a proficient LEO shooter. You must simply know some principles of marksmanship, know fundamental safety rules, and know your duty weapon(s). Beyond that; I don't think it really matters for many LEO's. I agree 100% though that training is far too infrequent for most all LEO's. That may be how being an "enthusiast" could help keep someone proficient as opposed to a non-enthusiast by giving them an incentive to shoot off duty.

[KD714]

Mongo sez, Keep booger hook off bang lever......

"Oh no! Don't shoot him, you'll just make him mad."

[camaroguy2012]

Does it matter if you appoint yourself the spokesman for LASD and post hypothetical nonsense? Yes, it does. You didn't label your assertions as "hypothetical" until I told you you were wrong. Before that it seemed like insider expertise.

I can't comment on LAPD practices because I don't work there and I don't know how they train. But what you "heard of" means zero unless you have direct access to their records.

I have been through the conversion training and it was quite thorough. Unlimited range time and ammo is also available for those who seek it afterwards. Blame for ND's lies squarely with the shooter and I am not defending it.

And before someone posts nonsense about these people getting a pass or the department taking ND's lightly, that is not the case either. They can fully expect to be on the hook administratively, criminally, and civilly when applicable.

[Bobby Ricigliano]

And with that sort of response it looks like we are done here.

It never seems to end well when people speak out of their behinds and get called on it.

[camaroguy2012]

And with that sort of response it looks like we are done here.

It never seems to end well when people speak out of their behinds and get called on it.

Your the one getting all butthurt about it not me, i am merely staring an opinion, if you want to take what anyone says on an internet forum and then make it your mission to discredit them then you sir need to find a hobby, ive been in law enforcement for 15 years ive worked with nearly ever agency in so cal including several lasd and lapd members. I am merely stating an opinion on why i think its happening, if anyone actually new the reason why then they would be correcting it. All the AD and NDs ive ever seen are a result of either stupidity or lack of training, mostly both. There are ways to correct training, not really a whole lot you can do to correct stupidity

[John M]

LASD is an outstanding agency. its one by which many others are judged. I am confident whatever the issue is, they will come up with a solution, im sure they are already addressing it.