ATF eForms

[bender152]

For those of you who are not on Reddit, a user over there put together a nice dashboard that keeps track of the current eForm 4 wait times.

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/23901a1ae7974fb1b5f7f3916b386884

Here is the original post: https://www.reddit.com/r/NFA/comment..._dashboard_oc/

[rromeo]

My local shop has a kiosk, and I filed on Wednesday. Let the wait commence. My .30 Cal was 7 years ago, so paper. I dropped paperwork in late March and it returned in September. At that time, my friend did his a week earlier, and his stamp came in two months sooner.

[sigstroker]

For me it does, especially since I have Unlimited Single Shot Trust. Is your dealer a Powered by Silencer Shop dealer? I think they default to that.

Yes, probably. The local feed store has just become a SS dealer. They even have a kiosk.

My method is to use the gun's model and serial number, so something like "Sig MPX ABC123456 Trust". But each my guns has its own separate trust so I can control who has access to them.

Seems like a good idea.

Trust name doesn't need to be unique, it just needs to end in Trust, and keep in mind its length for form 1 engravings.

Zero chance my trust name hasn't been used. So long as it has your information then its contents are unique to you.

Cool! "FJB Trust" here we come!

Plus it's nice and short.

[Ackrite]

I thought it would be easy to search trust names, but it's not. How do I make sure the name is unique?

Trust name doesn't need to be unique, it just needs to end in Trust, and keep in mind its length for form 1 engravings.

Zero chance my trust name hasn't been used. So long as it has your information then its contents are unique to you.

[beanz2]

Does it make any sense to efile a Form 1 through Silencer Shop, since they have my prints already?

For me it does, especially since I have Unlimited Single Shot Trust. Is your dealer a Powered by Silencer Shop dealer? I think they default to that.

I thought it would be easy to search trust names, but it's not. How do I make sure the name is unique?

My method is to use the gun's model and serial number, so something like "Sig MPX ABC123456 Trust". But each my guns has its own separate trust so I can control who has access to them.

[sigstroker]

The most common delay for eForm 4 was the local FFL not knowing what to do. Silencer Shop had put out e-mails and YouTube videos on how to do it and many just procrastinated. If your feed store is enthusiastic about eForm 4, they might get the ball rolling on it, but that is more the exception than the rule.



And for little changes like address changes, additions of trustees, etc., many also charge nominal amounts like $20.

Better yet, ask if they can give you the trust in an editable format such as .doc .



Yes, the trust name has to be unique. I'm sure "ATF You Suck Trust" and "Molon Labe Trust" have been taken. I'm sure "SigStroker AZ Trust" is not taken yet.

I thought it would be easy to search trust names, but it's not. How do I make sure the name is unique?

[sigstroker]

Does it make any sense to efile a Form 1 through Silencer Shop, since they have my prints already?

[beanz2]

How much did the trust cost you?

The local feed store just got their Class 3, I wonder if they know how to do e-form?

The most common delay for eForm 4 was the local FFL not knowing what to do. Silencer Shop had put out e-mails and YouTube videos on how to do it and many just procrastinated. If your feed store is enthusiastic about eForm 4, they might get the ball rolling on it, but that is more the exception than the rule.

Like $50 and it’s super easy and convenient.

And for little changes like address changes, additions of trustees, etc., many also charge nominal amounts like $20.

Better yet, ask if they can give you the trust in an editable format such as .doc .

Thanks! The website looks pretty good.

I just got notified by SIG that my short barrel order from 2020 is being filled. I'd rather not engrave a rifle with my personal name, so now I'll use "FJB Trust" or something like that.

Does the name have to be unique?

Yes, the trust name has to be unique. I'm sure "ATF You Suck Trust" and "Molon Labe Trust" have been taken. I'm sure "SigStroker AZ Trust" is not taken yet.

[sigstroker]

Like $50 and it’s super easy and convenient.

Thanks! The website looks pretty good.

I just got notified by SIG that my short barrel order from 2020 is being filled. I'd rather not engrave a rifle with my personal name, so now I'll use "FJB Trust" or something like that.

Does the name have to be unique?

[HAVOC5150]

Bought 2 suppressors at the end of December, did them on the kiosk. Certified on 2/5/22, I’m at 96 business days and waiting.

[Ackrite]

Like $50 and it’s super easy and convenient.

[sigstroker]

How much did the trust cost you?

The local feed store just got their Class 3, I wonder if they know how to do e-form?

[Ackrite]

Finally approved after 150 days.

Submitted/certified through SS 1/22, electronic fingerprints, Trust Shop trust w/1 responsible person, approved 6/21.

Perfect timing as I just bought several hundred rounds of 147gr 9mm for the SP5 with binary. Super stoked.

[Ackrite]

Well, eForm 1 still beats eForm 4 even submitting a month later:



Twenty one days vs. 51 days and counting . . .

I'm at 116 days and counting on e-form 4 and 209 days on paper form 4. And now Dead Air is finally releasing their dedicated 5.56 can soon and I may have to start all over again.

This isn't fun anymore.

[beanz2]

Well, eForm 1 still beats eForm 4 even submitting a month later:



Twenty one days vs. 51 days and counting . . .