Army dumping M9?????

[cracentral]

I wish the CG was on board with this, but they did what HS security did and adopted the Sig p229DAK, I personally hate this weapon, glad its .40 but I hate the DAK, horrible trigger pull, I miss the m9, boo

[Massan]

I would love for them to adopt the P226 but I doubt it will happen.

Safety, safety, safety.

M9 got a ridiculous amount of safety features built in and I just dont see the military adopting something without an external safety at the least.

[chris]

if and when they do it will take years. the Army Times reported that it may take 10 yrs. to adopt a new M4.

[RRangel]

this is why the m9 "sucks" its issued mainly to people who only qualify with it once a year and thats it. so i think even if you had a 1911 you would get the same results, especially since there is more recoil and less shots to get on target with.

Not exactly true. This is the pistol service wide. Whatever unit that needs pistols gets the M9. Whether they shoot 100 rounds or 5000 rounds, special operations notwithstanding.

We can blame the pencil pushers that chose it. I would say that civilians have it good because of better pistols available today. That may be about to change for our military, at least somewhat.

[steelrain82]

ive seen meny pogs with m9 and tons of infantry without them. all the guys that were suppossed to get them in gun crews machinegun or mortar was only issued one per team and that was the gunner. and he never used it except to qual with it. go to the range and it was only m16's and 203's, machineguns, no m9's. vast majority are no where near proficient with it.

[Snoopy47]

vast majority are no where near proficient with it.

Pistols are an entirely different skill set.

[11Bforme]

The M9 is great to take to the chow hall.

[ltmcarlson]

Don't go crazy here the Army ordered like 250,000 M-9s a year ago don't think they are going to junk them yet.
I carried M9's for 11 years in active duty and continue to carry it in the reserves with 3 combat tours under my belt I have no issues with the weapon as long as it is maintained.
Let's not forget that the pistol in military service is manly used to keep bad guys heads down while you get your primary weapon back up and running.
The Coast Guard switched to .40 Sig and have a hard time logistically with the ammo when forward deployed. I think the army will stay with the 9mm for a long time.

[ltmcarlson]

In my prior post I meant the USCG went with the .40 S&W.

[p1choco]

in my old unit we obviously had the M9. i liked it, and we would be at the range practically every other week (all week) shooting thousands of rounds through them. 50 guys shooting thousands of rounds for roughly a year through each pistol and maybe a handful or two of weapon problems. and these pistols (not all but most) were old and beat. these pistols get their use for years on end. i had a few problems mainly stovepipes and jams, but those were due to magazines or ammo.

and just because they are issued doesnt mean everyone gets a pistol or that they even get range time other than the yearly requal which is really garbage. so most of the time it is the shooter that sucks and their lack of maintenance of the pistol.

This is the truth. I run and gunned with this gun I dislike for more rounds than I care to remember I can probably go to sleep for 10 years, wake up and shoot it just as good as I did before I fell to sleep. All the other stories about battle rattle, breaking, not shooting and what not are BS. There may be some truth, but it is EXAGGERATED. I have fixed a number of them. More times than I can count I have been handed a M9 that "always jammed, shot waaaay to the left, didn't lock back after the last round, or shot all over the place" Aside from the ****ty check mate mags these crusty old ****ers hoarded and the occasional locking block, it was 95% operator error and I proved it right there in front of them. That being said, there are better options in my opinion. The 1911 isn't one of them and I love 1911's. Something that holds more rounds than a 1911 would be optimal with a grip that isn't so monstrous and block like that its operators struggle to operate it. I can rock and roll with the FN but I don't know wtf happened to that. Sadly, the .40 and 9mm shooting ball ammo seem like the only viable option. Realistically, 9mm will come out on top. The side arm is not a primary weapon. It's there so that you can fight your way back to a real battle gun. I don't think the military want's to go to hi powers so we'll be stuck with the M9 for a good bit. Especially after making huge purchases for them.

Steelrain82, how the hell do you get a "V" on a NAM? That is a NAM right?

[Snoopy47]

Steelrain82, how the hell do you get a "V" on a NAM? That is a NAM right?

I'm just guessing

General Criteria:
The award is presented for achievement or meritorious service in either a combat or non-combat situation. Recipients are required to demonstrate sustained and extraordinary conduct or have performed a specific achievement. It must be sufficient enough to exceed evaluations in fitness reports or performance reviews.

[p1choco]

Lol. I know what the criteria is. I just don't see them with V's. I'm not doubting it. It's possible.

[steelrain82]

Yeah it's a nam with a v. Most guys who got them were sgt's and below. The rest were staff NCOs and officers who would get bronze stars. A few non-comms and NCOs got bronze stars but like I said most were given nams with a v

[Snoopy47]

Lol. I know what the criteria is. I just don't see them with V's. I'm not doubting it. It's possible.

also, doesn't that little on-line tool that makes the racks usually not allow attachments for things they don't go too?

[copter976]

Watch FN's FNP-45...

It already has ALL the requirements the DOD/Army wants, FN has the manufacturing capability and add to it that they already make MOST of the weapons used by our armed forces...

Just my .02