2018/2019 AMMO LAW THREAD - ask here, not a new thread

[Dvrjon]

The statute says:

30314. (a) Commencing January 1, 2018, a resident of this state shall not bring or transport into this state any ammunition that he or she purchased or otherwise obtained from outside of this state unless he or she first has that ammunition delivered to a licensed ammunition vendor for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in Section 30312.

Enjoy your visit.

[Dvrjon]

California Customers: Sorry for the delay, we were in line at the foot-in-mouth clinic...

Ya gotta love that.....

[97F1504RAD]

I wonder why only some people seem to be getting these update emails from TSUSA? I never even got the one saying they were no longer going to ship.

[BigMac90660]

Yes I waited until the last minute and can't find info about flying into Ca as a non resident with ammo.
I'm flying into So Cal tomorrow and I'm not a CA resident anymore. I've flown with firearms and ammo many times with no problems.
But with the new ammo laws, can I fly into CA with ammo?

Only California residents are restricted from importing ammunition.

If you are a non resident, you better bring ammunition with you, since you will not be able to purchase in California without being a California resident.

[Dvrjon]

CA PEN 30314.

30314. (a) Commencing January 1, 2018, a resident of this state shall not bring or transport into this state any ammunition that he or she purchased or otherwise obtained from outside of this state unless he or she first has that ammunition delivered to a licensed ammunition vendor for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in Section 30312.

That's not you.

[mural9999]

My experience with testing how to buy ammo with my COE.

Short version: if you want to buy ammo using your COE, have a physical paper copy. They will want a copy of it to include in the bureaucratic paperwork process the DOJ has created.

Long version:
I wanted to test purchasing ammo using my COE at Sportsmans Warehouse. I had an electronic version on my phone thinking they simply needed the COE #. But, after a consultation with the supervisor, I was told they needed a physical copy so they could copy it to include in their audit records. So, I had to resort to using my records in the AFS. Background check process itself was fairly quick. But the entire process was slow - took about 15 minutes to process 2 boxes of 12ga shotshells and 2 boxes of 20ga shotshells. It involved a lot of manually typing information into the DOJ website form because they had a separate laptop to access with the DOJ website which is of course not integrated with the stores point of sales system. They had a manual printout of all their ammo in the store that was probably 1/2" thick. The sales guy had to thumb through it to find the right info to type into the DOJ form base on what I was buying. Then a printout of a form with all of that information upon which the the sales person signed and then I signed. Then a copy of my driver's license (or my COE if I had a physical printout) to staple to the stack of paperwork. After all of this, the ammo was then sent to the register right next the laptop to process payment. And then the paperwork was filed away (with 99.99999% certainty to never be looked at ever again).

I have to add this whole process happens at the gun counter by the gun counter sales staff. Not at the sales register. As far as a business operations go, the gun sales staff are likely more expensive and difficult to hire employees relative to the sales register employees. I have to believe this is going to really impact a stores ability to service customers wanting to buy guns (with higher margins) because they will be spending an inordinate amount of time on paperwork for a few boxes of ammo. This is obviously a deliberate process couldn't be more poorly designed.

[caarcher]

I got the same email from TSUSA. Here's the link to the announcement:

https://mailchi.mp/targetsportsusa/weekend-ammo-deals-starts-now-at-target-sports-usa-3841?e=db13bdd67f

[200Apples]

Would someone please address this quoted f.u.d. ...

Yeah 1$ if your ammo caliber is linked to a registered gun in their database. If its not because you have owned it longer than the database has been in play then you have 2 options register the gun and pay the 1$ or pay 19$? and then you get the limited amount of ammo that they will let you buy.

Before I reply to this person, I understand that there is no restriction to purchasing ammunition in a caliber not matching a weapon the CA DOJ knows you own.

I also understand that there is no longer any limit, although quantities purchased may be recorded.

Thanks in advance.


Edit: Nevermind. Both of his points are presently false. The California lawmakers, though, are trying to make them reality.

[Dvrjon]

Yeah 1$ if your ammo caliber is linked to a registered gun in their database. If its not because you have owned it longer than the database has been in play then you have 2 options register the gun and pay the 1$ or pay 19$? and then you get the limited amount of ammo that they will let you buy.

The caliber isn't submitted for clearance; just the buyer's ID. Once cleared, the buyer can purchase any caliber in any amount.

AFS carries handgun purchases from 2000 forward; long guns from 2014. If you haven't purchased those types after their respective dates, and haven't self-registered any guns, you won't be in AFS. You can self-register a gun and eventually wind up in AFS ($19), then pay $1 for purchase clearance each buy, or pay $19 for a single purchase clearance.

Purchase clearances have nothing to do with caliber, amount or gun. It's a clearance of the individual to purchase. The vendor then reports what was bought.

[caoimhinog]

I have an interesting situation regarding CA ammo laws. I am heading to Ireland soon to shoot in competition and bringing my 6.5x55 rifle and hand loaded ammunition with me. I have Customs and Border Protection approval (form 4457) to bring the rifle AND unused ammunition back into the US. The CBP officer, who was extremely helpful, signed and stamped the form which included the ammunition. So now what? I reloaded the ammunition so I can't prove I purchased it in CA (I can prove I purchased the components ie brass, powder, primers, bullets). I hold the view that CBP have approved me bringing back something I already owned here. Any thoughts?

[Dvrjon]

I have an interesting situation regarding CA ammo laws. I am heading to Ireland soon to shoot in competition and bringing my 6.5x55 rifle and hand loaded ammunition with me. I have Customs and Border Protection approval (form 4457) to bring the rifle AND unused ammunition back into the US. The CBP officer, who was extremely helpful, signed and stamped the form which included the ammunition. So now what? I reloaded the ammunition so I can't prove I purchased it in CA (I can prove I purchased the components ie brass, powder, primers, bullets). I hold the view that CBP have approved me bringing back something I already owned here. Any thoughts?

Please read the cited code in above posts. You don't need to prove the ammo came from CA.
The CBP document shows you didn't purchase or otherwise obtain the ammo out of state.Have a good trip and shoot well.

[200Apples]

Thanks Dvrjon for your reply.

[Dvrjon]

[dvaz]

Do I still need a passport if i have the old DL still?

[Dvrjon]

Do I still need a passport if i have the old DL still?

CA 11 CCR 4045.1:

(a) For all eligibility checks, a copy of the applicant's California driver license or identification card, or out-of-state driver license, if applicable, shall be submitted, as specified in subdivisions (d) through (g).
(b) For all eligibility checks, , as specified in subdivisions (d) through (g), in the form of one of the following documents:

(In Oct 2020, you will need a passport, military ID or real ID to board a domestic airline flight.)