2018/2019 AMMO LAW THREAD - ask here, not a new thread

[auffie.hk]

So, why are people getting denied when trying to purchase ammunition for a caliber they aren't registered for?

Did you have evidence of this? My understanding/experience was that you pass the background check first, then you proceed to complete a DROS for each caliber you are purchasing. The background check doesn't ask about the calibers.

[furyous68]

I've spoken personally to 4 people who were denied ammo purchases for calibers that they owned, but the firearms were purchased pre-registration... so not on file. Also spoke to a Walmart employee who said he's had to deny sales for the same reason.

I don't have any other evidence other than what they've told me. Made me wonder/worry because both my AR lowers were bought after 2014, and were registered as "Multi-Cal". Also own a couple other long-guns that were bought pre-2014, so not registered.

[auffie.hk]

I've spoken personally to 4 people who were denied ammo purchases for calibers that they owned, but the firearms were purchased pre-registration... so not on file. Also spoke to a Walmart employee who said he's had to deny sales for the same reason.

I don't have any other evidence other than what they've told me. Made me wonder/worry because both my AR lowers were bought after 2014, and were registered as "Multi-Cal". Also own a couple other long-guns that were bought pre-2014, so not registered.

Hmm, interesting. I think the denials were due to other reasons than caliber. If they aren't in the "system" (i.e., having bought a firearm recently enough or having registered one), they'd have to go through the "basic" ($19) background check, every single time, instead of the "standard" ($1). The solution is to voluntarily register an existing gun (ugh!) or to buy a new one.

[Dvrjon]

I've spoken personally to 4 people who were denied ammo purchases for calibers that they owned, but the firearms were purchased pre-registration... so not on file. Also spoke to a Walmart employee who said he's had to deny sales for the same reason.

I don't have any other evidence other than what they've told me. Made me wonder/worry because both my AR lowers were bought after 2014, and were registered as "Multi-Cal". Also own a couple other long-guns that were bought pre-2014, so not registered.

Auffie.hk has it right.

The type, caliber, brand, and quantity of ammo you are buying has nothing to do with the DOJ authorization to purchase. All of the product information goes into the system AFTER the authorization to purchase is returned.

This process simply clears the INDIVIDUAL and authorizes the individual to purchase ammunition. Once authorized, you can buy as much of anything you want (and your credit card can withstand).[/QUOTE]

[ARFrog]

I happened to have a free morning on Sunday and went to the gun show at the OC Fairgrounds in Costa Mesa. It was a far cry from two years ago or so when lines for the large central plaza ammo vendors went around the building. Instead, there were maybe 2 to 6 people hanging around each large ammo booth in the couple of hours I was there and going from building to building.

I witnessed one individual ask about a couple types of ammo and the response from the clerk was "do you have at least 30 minutes?" When the incredulous prospective purchaser asked why, he was told 2-20 minutes for the background check -which is run first - and 2-4 minutes for each box/kind of ammo purchased which has to have separate forms filled out for each one.

Personally, I was ready to make a 1,500 round purchase and brave the new background check but decided to punt when I saw the vendor had hiked the price by $20.00 over their price elsewhere

[JonnyGSX]

Been dealing with this new ammo law trying to get ready for dove season. I did not understand that Real ID was going to be required for firearm and ammunition purchases when I renewed my license in May. Unfortunately I just noticed my passport is also expired. So with my FLA license and no valid passport it looks like I can't buy ammo. My wife does have a real ID. I was going to bring her along with me and have her get some trap ammo for both of us and a few non lead boxes for dove. She doesn't have a firearm on file though so she'd need the $19 background check. If she gets the full background check will she then be good for future ammo purchases? Or will she need to pay $19 and have the waiting period every time? And what is this I'm reading now about caliber? Does she need to have a gun on file of the same caliber she's buying? Or do I, when I eventually get my Real ID, also need to register every caliber of weapon I own to be able to buy ammunition for them?

[Rorge Retson]

Been dealing with this new ammo law trying to get ready for dove season. I did not understand that Real ID was going to be required for firearm and ammunition purchases when I renewed my license in May. Unfortunately I just noticed my passport is also expired. So with my FLA license and no valid passport it looks like I can't buy ammo. My wife does have a real ID. I was going to bring her along with me and have her get some trap ammo for both of us and a few non lead boxes for dove. She doesn't have a firearm on file though so she'd need the $19 background check. If she gets the full background check will she then be good for future ammo purchases? Or will she need to pay $19 and have the waiting period every time? And what is this I'm reading now about caliber? Does she need to have a gun on file of the same caliber she's buying?

First, I will say that I don't have your answer, so I apologize in advance. I am sure that someone will come along presently with the right information for you.

What I really came here to say is how sad and frustrated I am to read your post.

Here is a guy who just wants to go dove hunting, and he has to get a law degree in order to feel comfortable doing so. This is so wrong.

[JonnyGSX]

First, I will say that I don't have your answer, so I apologize in advance. I am sure that someone will come along presently with the right information for you.

What I really came here to say is how sad and frustrated I am to read your post.

Here is a guy who just wants to go dove hunting, and he has to get a law degree in order to feel comfortable doing so. This is so wrong.

Not even to feel comfortable, but to do so at all. I knew about the background check law and did some research about the process. I figured that trying to buy my shells a month in advance was plenty of time even if I had to do the complete background check. What I was unaware and unprepaird for was the whole Real ID issue. All of the research I did about Real ID when I was renewing my license only mentioned the federal changes and nothing about firearms or ammunition. Thats what really caught me out, and frankly is extremely frustrating that "fake id's" are now being issued by the state to unknowing citizens.

[Dvrjon]

Been dealing with this new ammo law trying to get ready for dove season. I did not understand that Real ID was going to be required for firearm and ammunition purchases when I renewed my license in May. Unfortunately I just noticed my passport is also expired. So with my FLA license and no valid passport it looks like I can't buy ammo.

Ironic eh, considering:

In the end with the help of a few informed generous people on here I was able to find a local shop that will accept a passport which I'm getting mailed to me. So mission accomplished. The rest of you grumpy old men and sad boys can continue bickering if you wish.

Did your birth certificate expire, too? You needed it to get the passport, right? The BC and your FLA license gets you ammo. This was explained to you in another thread, but you elected to have the expired passport sent to you.

My wife does have a real ID. I was going to bring her along with me and have her get some trap ammo for both of us and a few non lead boxes for dove. She doesn't have a firearm on file though so she'd need the $19 background check. If she gets the full background check will she then be good for future ammo purchases? Or will she need to pay $19 and have the waiting period every time?

The Basic Eligibility Check ($19) is good for ONE purchase or 30 days from approval.

And what is this I'm reading now about caliber? Does she need to have a gun on file of the same caliber she's buying? Or do I, when I eventually get my Real ID, also need to register every caliber of weapon I own to be able to buy ammunition for them?

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[JonnyGSX]

Ironic eh, considering:
Did your birth certificate expire, too? You needed it to get the passport, right? The BC and your FLA license gets you ammo. This was explained to you in another thread, but you elected to have the expired passport sent to you.

I'm sure you aren't actively trying to be condescending and insulting and its just by accident.

I honestly have no idea where my birth certificate is. Getting a certified copy isn't a simple process. I got my passport when I still lived in the midwest, not sure what was even required at the time. I didn't elect to have my passport sent to me, because it was expired so there was no point.

Not sure why you needed to drag another thread in here when i've made a different post back to the original idea of getting my wife to buy the ammo. Thats the plan now. But thanks for popping up. It was nice to see you again.

[mrdd]

I didn't elect to have my passport sent to me, because it was expired so there was no point.

Actually, if you want to renew your passport, you need to have the old one to send in with the application. So, having the expired one can be handy.

[JonnyGSX]

Actually, if you want to renew your passport, you need to have the old one to send in with the application. So, having the expired one can be handy.

I didn't throw it away. It just doesn't help to get shells in the next week before dove season.

[Dvrjon]

I'm sure you aren't actively trying to be condescending and insulting and its just by accident.

I honestly have no idea where my birth certificate is. Getting a certified copy isn't a simple process.
I got my passport when I still lived in the midwest, not sure what was even required at the time. I didn't elect to have my passport sent to me, because it was expired so there was no point.

Not sure why you needed to drag another thread in here when i've made a different post back to the original idea of getting my wife to buy the ammo. Thats the plan now.
But thanks for popping up. It was nice to see you again.

Whatever you do now, make sure you buy more ammo than you think you will need....better to have and not need than to need and not have.

Good luck in your on-going adventure.

[JonnyGSX]

Well the information I could find said 25days to process. So how does that help me buy shells this week?

So you came here looking for more validation. Aww if that makes you feel good happy to help. THANK YOU!

[Dvrjon]

Well the information I could find said 25days to process. So how does that help me buy shells this week?

It takes even longer if you never initiate the action.

So you came here looking for more validation. Aww if that makes you feel good happy to help. THANK YOU!