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  • shooter556
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2012
    • 1054

    Originally posted by cockedandglocked
    It varies quite a bit. Some people have reported 10 days, others have reported 90. Most seem to fall somewhere in the middle - around 45 days.

    They do seem to "prioritize" applications that contain only basic AR style rifles. But even that is hit-or-miss.

    Raddlocks are fine, many people have been approved with them. I even recommend them, simply for the possibility (however remote) that their ability to be converted without changing any parts might prove to be good thing. Or it also might never help at all, who knows... but it's only $35, so why not register with it just in case?
    Can't you technically legally switch to a raddlock later on once its registered? It may be a grey area but from my understanding, you are allowed to switch the BB for a "like kind". Does that mean a standard BB can only be switched with a standard BB and a raddlock only for raddlock? Or any BB as long as it is a BB? I wouldn't want to be the test case but I am just wondering.

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    • solidfreshdope
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2016
      • 808

      Originally posted by cockedandglocked
      It varies quite a bit. Some people have reported 10 days, others have reported 90. Most seem to fall somewhere in the middle - around 45 days.

      They do seem to "prioritize" applications that contain only basic AR style rifles. But even that is hit-or-miss.

      Raddlocks are fine, many people have been approved with them. I even recommend them, simply for the possibility (however remote) that their ability to be converted without changing any parts might prove to be good thing. Or it also might never help at all, who knows... but it's only $35, so why not register with it just in case?


      I switched one of my guns from a raddlock to standard BB before registering just to try to make it simpler without any hang ups, but maybe I should have just kept it on.

      Hopefully court challenges pan out for those who registered.


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      • Discogodfather
        CGN Contributor
        • Feb 2010
        • 5516

        Originally posted by shooter556
        Can't you technically legally switch to a raddlock later on once its registered? It may be a grey area but from my understanding, you are allowed to switch the BB for a "like kind". Does that mean a standard BB can only be switched with a standard BB and a raddlock only for raddlock? Or any BB as long as it is a BB? I wouldn't want to be the test case but I am just wondering.
        A BB is a BB. Problem with Raddlock is it's not a BB when it's in the not-a-bb position. You can remove and replace any BB for any BB at any time.

        The question is what happens when it's not in the right position. That's really a question about the legality of the radlock in general. Nothing to do with registration.

        If you wanted to replace your regular BB with one shaped like Joe Montana eating a ham sandwich while skateboarding- no problem. A BB is a BB- it requires tools and time to operate the mag release.
        Originally posted by doggie
        Someone must put an end to this endless bickering by posting the unadulterated indisputable facts and truth.
        Originally posted by PMACA_MFG
        Not checkers, not chess, its Jenga.
        "The California matrix of gun control laws is among the harshest in the nation and are filled with criminal law traps for people of common intelligence who desire to obey the law." - U.S. District Judge Roger T. Benitez

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        • seainc
          Senior Member
          • Jul 2011
          • 1209

          30 days passed, still in process.

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          • Teckry
            Junior Member
            • Feb 2013
            • 3

            Welded flash hider

            So I have a 14.7" rifle barrel that was purchased with a welded vortex flash hider, making OAL 16.1 . How should I report this? I believe being welded makes it a legal 16" so should I just put 16" and make no mention of pre welded length?

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            • Sig so sour of ca
              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
              CGN Contributor
              • Oct 2016
              • 478

              Originally posted by Teckry
              So I have a 14.7" rifle barrel that was purchased with a welded vortex flash hider, making OAL 16.1 . How should I report this? I believe being welded makes it a legal 16" so should I just put 16" and make no mention of pre welded length?
              16 inch is fine. No need to mention it.

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              • Discogodfather
                CGN Contributor
                • Feb 2010
                • 5516

                Originally posted by Teckry
                So I have a 14.7" rifle barrel that was purchased with a welded vortex flash hider, making OAL 16.1 . How should I report this? I believe being welded makes it a legal 16" so should I just put 16" and make no mention of pre welded length?
                I had the same thing with an AR-10 build, I put in the comments that it was blind pinned and welded and permanently attached. It preempts the email where they ask for an explanation or a another picture.
                Originally posted by doggie
                Someone must put an end to this endless bickering by posting the unadulterated indisputable facts and truth.
                Originally posted by PMACA_MFG
                Not checkers, not chess, its Jenga.
                "The California matrix of gun control laws is among the harshest in the nation and are filled with criminal law traps for people of common intelligence who desire to obey the law." - U.S. District Judge Roger T. Benitez

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                • DevLcL
                  Junior Member
                  • May 2006
                  • 31

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                  • ers1978
                    Junior Member
                    • Apr 2016
                    • 68

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                    • solidfreshdope
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2016
                      • 808



                      They do not have to stay in the configuration that it is registered in, other than the bullet button must remain.


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                      • ers1978
                        Junior Member
                        • Apr 2016
                        • 68

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                        • blahblah
                          Member
                          • Apr 2008
                          • 177

                          Originally posted by ers1978
                          That’s good news! Now, on the forward grip issue, are these allowed if we register our guns as “assault weapons”? I thought, before all this RAW stuff started, that forward grips were a NO-NO. If we register without a forward grip and add one later are we ok? Is this our chance to legally have a forward grip?
                          If you are talking about **rifles** then it doesn't matter. You can add or remove ANY "evil" feature after registering, as already stated. The only thing you cannot do after modifying is muck with the bullet button.
                          Last edited by blahblah; 04-21-2018, 3:26 PM.

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                          • blahblah
                            Member
                            • Apr 2008
                            • 177

                            Originally posted by Discogodfather
                            You can remove and replace any BB for any BB at any time.
                            I would not be so quick to provide that advice to people!!!

                            What the regulations actually say is:

                            Now, don't argue with me that that is crap and regulatory overreach. Amen, brother!

                            But the fact remains we have no idea what "like-kind replacement" means.

                            I really wonder if anyone has any insights or experience about perhaps resubmitting registration with a different release mechanism after getting approval once already?

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                            • solidfreshdope
                              Senior Member
                              • Jun 2016
                              • 808

                              Originally posted by blahblah
                              I would not be so quick to provide that advice to people!!!



                              What the regulations actually say is:







                              Now, don't argue with me that that is crap and regulatory overreach. Amen, brother!



                              But the fact remains we have no idea what "like-kind replacement" means.



                              I really wonder if anyone has any insights or experience about perhaps resubmitting registration with a different release mechanism after getting approval once already?
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                              • Discogodfather
                                CGN Contributor
                                • Feb 2010
                                • 5516

                                Originally posted by blahblah

                                But the fact remains we have no idea what "like-kind replacement" means.
                                Yes we do:

                                (f) “Bullet-button” means a product requiring a tool to remove an ammunition feeding device or magazine by depressing a recessed button or lever shielded by a magazine lock. A bullet-button equipped fully functional semiautomatic firearm does not meet the fixed magazine definition under Penal Code section 30515(b).

                                Notice how the definition does not specify mechanisms, color, or anything other than it's basic function (depressing a recessed button or lever shielded by a magazine lock). It doesn't say anything about having one shaped like a banana or any specific brand.

                                By my count, towards the end, there were literally two dozen companies making BB's including cheap Chinese knockoffs. There is no way to tell where any of these generic BB's came from and they were all the same legally.

                                They continue to be the same legally, except now they do not meet the fixed mag definition.

                                The question about Raddlock or any of the toggle on and toggle off variety is a separate question- are they considered BB's legally? Fabio said no, a few others questioned it. I don't know the answer other than when it's ON it's a BB and when it's OFF it definitely isn't.

                                The truth is if you take ANY AR-15 BB and slightly screw out the retaining nut and make it very loose and sloppy you can get it to function as a standard mag release. It's ghetto but it works, and I can't find the difference between doing that and switching a raddlock.

                                I reg'd over 15 rifles and many had BB's I had made myself. Many where very different and unique. They all met the basic definition of a "depressing a recessed button or lever shielded by a magazine lock". No one ever questioned what brand they were or specifically how they functioned beyond that.

                                Case and point: if your BB breaks tomorrow what do you do? I would have to make another one on some rarer rifles, and it would probably be slightly different. No big deal, it DOESN'T matter. I have a few spares for the AR's and they all are slightly different in different colors.
                                Originally posted by doggie
                                Someone must put an end to this endless bickering by posting the unadulterated indisputable facts and truth.
                                Originally posted by PMACA_MFG
                                Not checkers, not chess, its Jenga.
                                "The California matrix of gun control laws is among the harshest in the nation and are filled with criminal law traps for people of common intelligence who desire to obey the law." - U.S. District Judge Roger T. Benitez

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