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[Quiet]

I'm interested in building a non ar rifle, I fully expect it to take several months. I understand that if I register it as a receiver it can't be built (which doesn't make sense). If I go the rifle route, how complete does it really need to be to be considered a rifle, tack welded, enough to look like a rifle? Fully functional and finished? Obviously they want full length shots and close ups of the serials

Once you get approved and receive the CA DOJ issued serial number; you have 10 days to complete the receiver, engrave it with the approved info, and submit proof to CA DOJ BOF.

Within 30 days of receiving the CA DOJ issued serial number; you must complete the firearm and update it's final configuration to CA DOJ BOF.

Modifications after the 30 days is not allowed and will be considered making a "new" self-made firearm, unless you get approval from CA DOJ to remake your self-made firearm into a "new" self-made firearm (which then gives you another 30 day window to modify and update it's final configuration to CA DOJ BOF).

[raceratb]

So if you make a receiver, and register it, then you have to apply for another serial number to turn it into a rifle. And if you want to change the stock or finish you need to apply again?

[Quiet]

So if you make a receiver, and register it, then you have to apply for another serial number to turn it into a rifle. And if you want to change the stock or finish you need to apply again?

You need to apply, when you intend to start making the receiver.

During the initial application process, you need to indicate what type of firearm you are making.

If you make it into a receiver and do not complete it to what you initially indicated, then it gets stuck as what you sent CA DOJ before the 30 day window closed.

If you want to change it after the 30 day window, you will need to apply again and...
... if approved, this grants you another 30 day window to modify it to what you indicated it will be in your application. Before the 30 day window is over, you will need to update the firearm's info with pictures to CA DOJ.
... if not approved, then it needs to remain as is.

Self-made firearm that does not match the finalized pictures sent to them can be confiscated as evidence of making an "new" illegal self-made firearm.
^Your lawyers will then get the opportunity to fight this in the Courts.

Fitting together components on a firearm is considered "self-manufacturing" a firearm.
^This does not apply to firearms that were made by 07-FFLs and to receivers that were made by 07-FFLs.

[raceratb]

I've read both the bill and law chapters, I can't find where it says that you can't build a from a registered self built receiver. That being said, any there any 07s that specialize in putting serials on 80% then selling them through the normal dros

[ar15barrels]

I've read both the bill and law chapters, I can't find where it says that you can't build a from a registered self built receiver.

What you seek is in the regulations:

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/regs/self-manufact-text-adopted-regs.pdf

[raceratb]

Once the receiver is serial numbered, photographed, and approved by the doj, it's a firearm. I see nothing there that says I can't change it. Completing a build isn't constructing a new firearm, as the law states that you can not build a firearm from scratch without a serial. The receiver is the gun, it has a serial. The manufacturing statement doesn't apply because the receiver is no longer a spooky ghost, but bring manufactured from a properly licensed serialed receiver. Or am I missing something?

[Quiet]

Once the receiver is serial numbered, photographed, and approved by the doj, it's a firearm. I see nothing there that says I can't change it. Completing a build isn't constructing a new firearm, as the law states that you can not build a firearm from scratch without a serial. The receiver is the gun, it has a serial. The manufacturing statement doesn't apply because the receiver is no longer a spooky ghost, but bring manufactured from a properly licensed serialed receiver. Or am I missing something?

11 CCR 5507a firearm the component parts which were fit together by a person to construct a firearm, but does not include:
(1) A firearm assembled or manufactured by a firearms manufacturer licensed by the State of California and/or the Federal Government, or
(2) A firearm with a serialized receiver purchased from a California gun store and later assembled it into a functional firearm. In this case, a licensed Federal Firearms Licensee is the manufacturer of the firearm and has applied its own serial number to the firearm.

11 CCR 5518
(a) After the applicant submits an online application, the Department shall notify the applicant of its approval or denial electronically. An automated email will be sent to the applicant notifying the applicant to log on to the applicant's CFARS account to view the determination letter.
(b) If the applicant's request for a unique serial number is approved, the applicant shall do the following:
(3) An applicant intending to manufacture or assemble a firearm on or after July 1, 2018, shall engrave, cast, stamp (impress), or permanently place in a conspicuous location on the receiver or frame of the firearm the unique serial number issued by the Department within 30 calendar days of receiving the unique serial number from the Department. The applicant's date of receipt of the unique serial number shall be the date on the email containing the electronic notice that tells the applicant to log into the applicant's CFARS account to view the electronic correspondence sent by the Department.
(A) The applicant shall only manufacture or assemble the firearm after the Department determines that the applicant is eligible to possess a firearm and issues the applicant a unique serial number.
(B) Within 10 calendar days of manufacturing or assembling the firearm, the applicant shall engrave, cast, stamp (impress), or permanently place in a conspicuous location on the receiver or frame of the firearm the unique serial number for the self-manufactured or self-assembled firearm. Hence, at the latest, the applicant shall finish manufacturing or assembling the firearm within 20 calendar days from the date the Department issued the applicant a unique serial number so that the applicant can complete the entire engraving process within the 30-day period prescribed by the Department.
(C) For firearms built on or after July 1, 2018, an applicant only has access to the Department-issued unique serial number for 30 days from the date of its issuance. If the applicant does not manufacture or assemble and engrave the firearm with its unique serial number within the 30 days provided by the Department, the unique serial number will become invalid and the applicant must reapply for a new unique serial number.
(D) If the applicant fails to upload the proper digital images of the firearm or does not properly apply the unique serial number to the firearm before the 30-day period expires, the applicant will have until the end of the thirtieth day to provide the correct information to the Department.

11 CCR 5521
(a) Once the applicant applies the unique serial number and additional information in a conspicuous location on the self-manufactured or self-assembled firearm as required by section 5520 of these regulations, the applicant shall upload, onto CFARS, a total of four clear digital images of the firearm. These digital images shall clearly depict the firearm and its newly engraved serial number. The four digital images shall be taken as follows:
(1) One digital image shall be a close-up image of the engraved, cast, stamped (impressed), or permanently placed unique serial number and additional information, which shall be located on the receiver or frame of the firearm. This image shall encompass the entire unique serial number, so the Department can easily read it when it reviews this image.
(2) One digital image shall depict the entire firearm. This image shall be photographed horizontally and taken directly from above in a way that it captures the entire firearm. The image shall encompass either of the following:
(A) If it is a long gun the image shall capture everything from the end of the barrel to the end of the stock; or
(B) If it is a handgun the image shall capture the handgun from the point furthest from the end of the barrel to the opposite end of the handgun; or
(C) If it is a receiver or frame only, the entire firearm shall be depicted.
(3) The other two digital images shall show the left side of the receiver or frame and the right side of the receiver or frame. These locations are typically where firearms are marked when manufacturing is complete.
(b) The Department shall request additional firearm(s) identifying information and digital image(s) if necessary to confirm that an applicant is compliant with state firearm laws. If the requested information or digital image(s) is not received within 30 calendar days of the applicant being notified of the request in CFARS, the application will not be processed.

11 CCR 5522
If the applicant wishes to make changes to the configuration of the firearm while the applicant is manufacturing or assembling the firearm, the applicant may do so as long as all changes are made within the 30-day period following the date the Department issued the unique serial number to the applicant. The applicant shall record all changes made to the firearm in the applicant's original unique serial number application in CFARS when reporting the firearm to the Department. The uploaded digital images shall reflect the final version of the firearm, including any changes that were made to it by the applicant.

[raceratb]

So, are there any 07s that will serialize a piece of metal and transfer it in the LA area?

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[ar15barrels]

Start going down the list and callling them:

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/listing-federal-firearms-licensees/state?field_ffl_date_value%5Bvalue%5D%5Byear%5D=2021&ffl_date_month%5Bvalue%5D%5Bmonth%5D=1&field_state_value=CA

I downloaded that list and cleaned it down to about 85 licensed 07 manufacturers in or very close to LA county.
If you expend to orange county and ventura county, it's over 150.