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  • Cokebottle
    Seņor Member
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Oct 2009
    • 32373

    Originally posted by Blowout
    Can someone please confirm if my information below correct or not?

    1 - 2 - An 80% AR pistol once VolReg cannot be registered as an AW because as a single shot it doesn't meet the AW requirements.

    3 - An 80% AR pistol cannot be directly registered as an AW because it needs to be built as a single shot first? Catch 22...

    4 - An AR pistol cannot be made featureless because it's not a rifle and falls under Pistol characterization.

    5 - If an 80% pistol is VolReg as a single shot, it can be converted to a semi-auto if a Maglock or DFM type device is used.
    The timing of the build and conversion is the key to what can and can't be done legally.

    1 - No. It must have been first constructed as a single shot, dimensionally compliant prior to 2015, or as a single shot, break-top, bolt-action prior to 2017.
    It was legal to convert to semi-auto prior to 2017. It became questionably legal/illegal to perform the conversion after Jan 1 2017 due to changes in the wording of "Manufacture."

    2 - Yes and no. See above. You can not RAW a single shot, correct, but if it was converted to S/A prior to Jan 1 2017, it would qualify. It will require a DOJ-issued serial number to RAW.

    3 - Yes and no.... It can not be directly registered, it must be assigned a DOJ-issued serial number first. The build must also have been completed in AW form prior to Jan 1 2017, as the AW must have been "lawfully possessed between 2001 and 2016, inclusive"

    4 - Correct. The closest that an AR or AK pattern pistol can be to "featureless" is a fixed-magazine configuration, since a "detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip" qualifies as a "feature"

    5 - See #1, the issue is hotly debated and we will not know with any certainty unless or until someone is arrested, charged with manufacturing an unsafe handgun, and convicted. There would be no issue with a build that was Vol-Reg'd and converted prior to Jan 1 2017, but to RAW it would still need a DOJ-issued serial number.
    - Rich

    Originally posted by dantodd
    A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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    • Blowout
      Junior Member
      • Jun 2013
      • 51

      Thank you Cokebottle for filling in the necessary dates for compliance and providing such a detailed reply!

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      • Chitwood
        Junior Member
        • May 2010
        • 22

        [QUOTE=BMartin1776;21392049]doesnt matter per the proposed CADOJ rule change(hearing 19th) all home builds have to be registered

        What was the outcome of the hearing?

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        • MosinVirus
          Happily Infected
          CGN Contributor
          • Sep 2013
          • 5282

          Just filled out Firearm Ownership Report forms for my 80% 1911 builds. 7 total.

          I am submitting pictures in current configuration - one of the right side of the pistol and one of the serial markings up close. Stating in the comments how the pistols were built.

          Will report back on how it goes.
          Hobbies: bla, bla, bla... Bought a Mosin Nagant... Guns, Guns, Guns...

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          • BMartin1776
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2010
            • 1051

            [QUOTE=Chitwood;21445739]
            Originally posted by BMartin1776
            doesnt matter per the proposed CADOJ rule change(hearing 19th) all home builds have to be registered

            What was the outcome of the hearing?
            No idea, dont know where to go to find out. But I mean we're behind enemy lines from Free America, its obvious what they'll do, theres NO ONE to stop CA gun grabbers.
            SavingtheRepublic Through The Art of Political Guerrilla Warfare

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            • LibertyGuy
              Member
              • Oct 2008
              • 107

              Apologies if this had already been answered. I read through this whole thread but cant remember. If I'm registering just a completed and stripped 80% receiver on the CFARS website, the Make is a pretty easy choice from the drop down menu, but what do I put for the Model?

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              • phdo
                CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Jan 2010
                • 3870

                80% lowers MERGED THREADS - please ask in here, not a new thread

                Originally posted by LibertyGuy
                Apologies if this had already been answered. I read through this whole thread but cant remember. If I'm registering just a completed and stripped 80% receiver on the CFARS website, the Make is a pretty easy choice from the drop down menu, but what do I put for the Model?
                Last edited by phdo; 03-27-2018, 1:42 AM.

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                • ar15barrels
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 57011

                  Originally posted by LibertyGuy
                  If I'm registering just a completed and stripped 80% receiver on the CFARS website, the Make is a pretty easy choice from the drop down menu, but what do I put for the Model?
                  A stripped self-made lower has no features and is therefore not able to be registered as an AW.
                  Randall Rausch

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                  Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                  Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
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                  • LibertyGuy
                    Member
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 107

                    Originally posted by ar15barrels
                    A stripped self-made lower has no features and is therefore not able to be registered as an AW.
                    Works for me. I'm going to make it a featureless rifle anyway.

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                    • shaocaholica
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2014
                      • 889

                      For BOF-1008, if I didn't engrave a model number I guess I just make something up but not pick anything that's banned by name? I think I read some people got kick backs because they put 'N/A' or left it blank.
                      Last edited by shaocaholica; 03-28-2018, 12:24 AM.

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                      • shaocaholica
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2014
                        • 889

                        One more thing. For the trick question fields for who you got the gun from. Is it OK to leave them blank or do you have to explicitly put 'N/A'? I've already sent in a few forms with those fields blank and I hope I don't get a kick back because that would be really picky of them. Anyone got success with them just blank?

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                        • RobK
                          Junior Member
                          • Nov 2004
                          • 57

                          FORM 4542

                          A simplified list of what to put in the form 4542 would be great... Especially since I'm reading pistols and rifles need different data..

                          The instructions page doesn't say anything about pictures, do we need to send pic's ?

                          Is there a simplified sample somewhere, I can't seem to find one..
                          So fracking tired of reading all this.. Frustrated
                          \"The only thing that helps me maintain my thin grip on reality is the friendship I have with my collection of singing potatoes\"

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                          • uglyduckling
                            Member
                            • Jul 2014
                            • 344

                            What do you have to do for a completed former 80% lower, that is already engraved with the correct info? Are you required to build it into a complete rifle and submit Form 4542A? Or is it fine to leave it alone and un-built?

                            If required to build into complete rifle, that seems retarded and unjust
                            John 3:16

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                            • shaocaholica
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2014
                              • 889

                              Originally posted by uglyduckling
                              What do you have to do for a completed former 80% lower, that is already engraved with the correct info? Are you required to build it into a complete rifle and submit Form 4542A? Or is it fine to leave it alone and un-built?

                              If required to build into complete rifle, that seems retarded and unjust
                              It needed to be a complete rifle at the stroke of midnight on 12/31/2016.

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