80% lowers MERGED THREADS - please ask in here, not a new thread

[SweetPotato]

27 CFR 478.92 (1) You, as a licensed manufacturer or licensed importer of firearms, must legibly identify each firearm manufactured or imported as follows:

U.S.C. 923(i) Licensed importers and licensed manufacturers shall identify by means of a serial number engraved or cast on the receiver or frame of the weapon, in such manner as the Attorney General shall by regulations prescribe, each firearm imported or manufactured by such importer or manufacturer.

Does an individual making lower automatically considered as "license" manufacturer? Or the act of selling make you a "license" manufacturer? Does giving it away to friend and family also be considered "license" manufacturer? Sorry, I am not familiar with how the law is interpret.

26 U.S.C. 5822 No person shall make ...
describe the requirement to be a license manufacturer itself if I read it correctly.

My impression is that you can't manufacture for the purpose of sale, and if you later decide to sell it's legal (if properly marked).

So it is all about the intention at the time of making similar to how one sell pistol that isn't on the safety list? One may acquires it thru legal allowance to try but could sell it if one doesn't like it later on?

[Junkie]

I'm not sure where exactly it says that an unlicensed personal manufacturer has to mark it if they decide to sell it, but that was my impression.

And yes, it has to do with intent at the time. Of course, if you start buying one every month and then deciding you don't like it, that'll start to be a problem.

[SweetPotato]

I'm not sure where exactly it says that an unlicensed personal manufacturer has to mark it if they decide to sell it, but that was my impression.

And yes, it has to do with intent at the time. Of course, if you start buying one every month and then deciding you don't like it, that'll start to be a problem.

LOL, I don't sell guns. As far as marking for transfer, no dealer will do it without any marking I think.

[Blackntan]

I have also attempted to search for my exact question in other forums, so I'll throw it out here. If someone can re-direct me, I'd appreciate it.

I relocated out of Cali in 2015, leaving a couple of INCOMPLETE 80 percenters behind with family, and now want to get them out. As they are not technically firearms, can they legally be sent to me here in Idaho? Don't want to cause my family or myself any problems. Just unsure...

Anyone?

[LeadFarmer74]

I have also attempted to search for my exact question in other forums, so I'll throw it out here. If someone can re-direct me, I'd appreciate it.

I relocated out of Cali in 2015, leaving a couple of INCOMPLETE 80 percenters behind with family, and now want to get them out. As they are not technically firearms, can they legally be sent to me here in Idaho? Don't want to cause my family or myself any problems. Just unsure...

Anyone?

If they are paperweights then they can be sent in the mail. If complete stripped lower then all normal rules apply.

[CaliforniaCowboy]

If you intend to register them as assault weapons, then they need to be made before 01-01-2017

I did not know about that. So does the entire rifle have to be built and finished by that date or can you (if you wanted to register one) just register your stripped lower as AW and build it up later? Or does the registration require a full list of all the parts or something? I have some lowers and was thinking about "Maybe" registering only one of them (I know do not comply and all that), but register one of them so I can have all the bells and whistles and standard mag release just for a Home Defense rifle. But had planned on building it later, not before Jan first.

[RuggedJay]

Registering an AR Pistol built from 80% as an AW?

Hello Calguns legal experts. I have a situation and have been looking for information but I get confusing often contradictory advice from people I ask. I have an AR pistol built from an 80% lower. What is the process for registering it as an AW? All input is highly appreciated.

[drifts1]

The DOJ hasn't put that info out yet. We'll have to wait and see.

[mshill]

Hello Calguns legal experts.

First mistake...

I have a situation and have been looking for information but I get confusing often contradictory advice from people I ask. I have an AR pistol built from an 80% lower. What is the process for registering it as an AW? All input is highly appreciated.

No, seriously, I have two myself. I have not decided whether to register or fix the magazines.

[tokyodrftr]

Is the date 1.1.17 deadline for our BB rifles to be converted to featureless or maglock to be compliant as NON-AW status?


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[tokyodrftr]

Registering an AR Pistol built from 80% as an AW?

Do you know what constitutes an AR pistol to be an AW?

Never mind found answer to my ?

Having to do with magazine detached from the grip of the pistol

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[sitruc]

Is the date 1.1.17 deadline for our BB rifles to be converted to featureless or maglock to be compliant as NON-AW status?


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01/01/2017 is the purchase ban on any centerfire rifle capable of accepting a detachable magazine with any "evil" features.

You have until 01/01/2018 to register already-possessed BB rifles as "Assault Weapons" or convert to featureless or convert the rifle using a device that fits the new definition of a non-detachable magazine.

[tokyodrftr]

Thankyou


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[Quiet]

Hello Calguns legal experts. I have a situation and have been looking for information but I get confusing often contradictory advice from people I ask. I have an AR pistol built from an 80% lower. What is the process for registering it as an AW? All input is highly appreciated.

First issue...

In order to register it or transfer it, it must be properly engraved/marked.

Markings must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1/16 inch.
Markings must use Roman letters (A, B, C, etc.) and Arabic numerals (1, 2, 3, etc).

Markings must include:
1) Serial Numbers (can not be just a name, must contain numerals)
2) Model
3) Caliber
4) Manufacturer's name
5) City & State where the Manufacturer is located

Since you made the receiver, you are the manufacturer.
So, your name (first & last) and city/state needs to be engraved on it.

If you do not properly mark/engrave the firearm before 07-01-2018, then you must apply to CA DOJ BOF for the required markings for home built firearms. [PC 29180(b)]

Starting 01-01-2019, possession of a home built firearm without identifying information will be illegal. [PC 29180(f)]
In addition, it will also be illegal to transfer home built firearms, unless it is to surrender them to law enforcement. [PC 29180(d)]


Second issue...

Wait until 2017, when CA DOJ BOF activates the 2017 assault weapons registration website.

[target_shot]

Non-AW 80%

Just to clarify....

An 80% NOT going to be registered as an aw (a 1911 pattern) needs only to be engraved to ATF specs, correct? No volreg, paperwork, etc.?