80% lowers MERGED THREADS - please ask in here, not a new thread

[bRiT636]

If you make a semi-auto centerfire rifle with a fixed 10 round magazine that can not be removed without dissembling the firearm's action from an "80% receiver", then it is not considered an assault weapon.

Since it is not an assault weapon, it can/does not need to be registered as an assault weapon during the 2017 grace period (01-01-2017 to 12-31-2017).

However...

Starting 01-01-2019, all home built firearms need to be marked and any unmarked home built firearm will be illegal to possess.

If the home built firearm is not marked by 06-30-2018, then the owner will need to apply to CA DOJ for approved/provided marking information. This process will register the home built firearm as a non-assault weapon with CA DOJ.

If the home built firearm is marked before 07-01-2018, then the owner/maker can legally mark the firearm with whatever information they want (as long as it meets BATFE marking requirements). This will not register the home built firearm with CA DOJ.

I am sure I read elsewhere (in this forum) that the consensus was an 80% would have to be fully built/engraved by 1/1/2017 and voluntarily registered.

I cant afford to build all my stripped lowers/80% by then...maybe just the lowers assembled.

Am I screwed or no one knows for sure?

And for those that say - just go featureless... I am not attracted to that at all.

[bRiT636]

No kidding right ?

If there is a demand for laser engraving of serial numbers on 80's pm me or speak up.

Anaheim area. By the pond.

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I might need your services on some 100% - still interested?

[shaocaholica]

I am sure I read elsewhere (in this forum) that the consensus was an 80% would have to be fully built/engraved by 1/1/2017 and voluntarily registered.

I cant afford to build all my stripped lowers/80% by then...maybe just the lowers assembled.

Am I screwed or no one knows for sure?

And for those that say - just go featureless... I am not attracted to that at all.

Fully built but not necessarily engraved. But who are you kidding. The engraving is the easy part.

[bRiT636]

Fully built but not necessarily engraved. But who are you kidding. The engraving is the easy part.

Exactly - I hoped to build these slowly next year and register them. What a Sh**Show!

[shaocaholica]

Actually, on a technical level, if you simply drill a divot into your 80, it becomes a firearm even though you haven't completed all the machining. That could technically be possession by 1/1/2017.

[bRiT636]

Actually, on a technical level, if you simply drill a divot into your 80, it becomes a firearm even though you haven't completed all the machining. That could technically be possession by 1/1/2017.

Mine are done... just need parts/$.

[shaocaholica]

Mine are done... just need parts/$.

Buy the parts now, assemble the gun. Wait till after the new year. Resell the parts. If you're that strapped for cash. You can literally get bottom barrel AR parts for a complete gun from PSA for $350. It would be a trash gun but a gun none the less. Keep your receipt.

[Ninety]

I might need your services on some 100% - still interested?

Yes shouldn't be a problem

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[dieselpower]

Actually, on a technical level, if you simply drill a divot into your 80, it becomes a firearm even though you haven't completed all the machining. That could technically be possession by 1/1/2017.

no it doesnt. it needs to be a working firearm. there is no 80% law where 80.01% becomes a firearm, that is made up by the firearms community to comply with ATF regulations.

just like selling firearms, there is no magic number of sales that turns a regular person into an unlicensed firearms dealer. that number is up to the ATF and can be 1 sale if they could justify it.

[RYURABBIT]

Soooo...register 80% lowers the re-register as AW?

Im confused. I want to register 2 80% lowers so that I can go to the range with them. How do I go straight to the AW registration vs register them as firearms and then pay AGAIN to register them as AW?

[bootstrap]

no it doesnt. it needs to be a working firearm. there is no 80% law where 80.01% becomes a firearm, that is made up by the firearms community to comply with ATF regulations.

[9M62]

It does not need to be a working firearm to be considered a firearm.

Once you start machining the fire control cavity it becomes a firearm per ATF definition.

Google search: Are “80%” or “unfinished” receivers illegal?

Then look on the ATF website to verify.

^^ This is correct.

The ATF has already ruled in some 80% manufacturers cases, that the moment they started drilling into the fire control cavity (forward of about the rear takedown pin hole), they had made a "firearm" and could not sell them without an FFL.

Google-Fu will show a diagram the ATF even drew to clarify the definition. In fact, once they drew it, that's when you started seeing the rear shelf pre-milled because the ATF drew a line forward of the rear shelf -- so companies like Tactical Machine started removing that material on their "80%'s."

The 80% number does not actually refer to the level of completion. You can have a lower with no rear buffer tube housing, no mag well and no trigger guard -- but if the trigger pocket was even begun to be milled out the ATF would say it's a firearm.

Here you go, dieselpower, take a peek:

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/are-%E2%80%9C80%E2%80%9D-or-%E2%80%9Cunfinished%E2%80%9D-receivers-illegal

[shaocaholica]

Seems like if you have an 80 you want to complete before 1/1/2017 but you don't have all the tooling or time you can just divot the fire control pocket and have a 'firearm'. Finish the rest of the machining later at your leisure.

[9M62]

Seems like if you have an 80 you want to complete before 1/1/2017 but you don't have all the tooling or time you can just divot the fire control pocket and have a 'firearm'. Finish the rest of the machining later at your leisure.

If your intent is to be able to register it as an assault weapon sometime in 2017, you need to do more than that.

You would need to make the firearm the legal definition of an assault weapon. In this case it would need to be a centerfire semi-automatic with at least one feature and a bullet button.

Not sure how you'd meet that criteria by just dimpling the receiver. It would be a firearm, but not an assault weapon by definition and thus wouldn't / couldn't be registered in 2017.

[Cokebottle]

Im confused. I want to register 2 80% lowers so that I can go to the range with them. How do I go straight to the AW registration vs register them as firearms and then pay AGAIN to register them as AW?

The catch is not the AW law, the catch is the 80% regs require that it be registered into the system prior to Jan 1 or else it will have to be run through the new system and be assigned a SN by DOJ.

So two options... self-assign and pay to register this month, or wait until July, serialize it under the new system, and register as an AW.

And re-reading what I just wrote, I don't think there's any way around paying twice.