Law Enforcement Influence on California Politics

[Tincon]

OP asked how 47 passed. And influence of LE "Associations".

In the instance of 47. [not considering other bills]

Well, PROP 47 was not a "bill." It was a proposition. LE "Associations" have a huge amount of influence in Sacramento, particularly with respect to gun bills. I don't really know how anyone could deny this, other than through pure ignorance. Anyone who has worked with gun lobbyists in Sac knows it to be true.

Ballot props are an entirely different issue. I have no idea how much influence LE "Associations" have on a non-gun related prop, or even a gun related one. In this case it seems most cops, at least those on the street, opposed prop 47. It still passed. That doesn't change what is going in Sac one bit. So this entire issue is a red herring.

[StuckInTheP.R.O.Ca]

I disagree.

I find your argument just as ridiculous as you find mine.

I bet the first time someone mentioned murdering millions of Jews, people gasped and remarked how ridiculous and absurd that was.

I bet many people thought that would never happen. The soldiers would never follow that order.




You only say that because you are tolerant and accepting of the current laws. You find them just tolerable enough to not physically revolt in the street. Sure, you dislike them. You help fight them in the legal system and help educate people.

You would stand behind any LEO making a lawful arrest even if you knew deep down it was wrong.

I wouldn't. I was taught to stand up for what is right.

When someone else challenges the law or expresses their opinion it becomes "dumb".

You don't have to agree and I am sure you wont.



LEOs have unlawfully arrested good citizens and illegally confiscated private property. It does happen and it isn't all that rare.

Yes, people make mistake and LEOs are human. I get that. But when I make a mistake at work it doesn't cost people their life, time, money or freedom.

If I mistakenly break the law due to ignorance I am held fully accountable.



Most of us probably have an overwhelming consensus as to what is morally right and wrong. Sure, there will be a few that are out of alignment.

There are several Sheriff's throughout the country that demonstrate integrity and stand with the people. They refuse to enforce unconstitutional laws even if it cost them their badge.

We don't see that in California and that is a shame.



Legislatures can never get it wrong? When they do we are all supposed to just follow along?

Outstanding points. I wonder how views such as his would translate over to police in other countries who enforce outright unjust and evil laws. Or is it the case that in the U.S. our police should not be held to the same standard that would otherwise apply to individual actions of the police in other parts of the world. Should the Saudi religous police that enforce draconian laws be considered basically good guys because they are just following orders and it is not their job to interpret the laws?

[Tincon]

Outstanding points. I wonder how views duch as his would translat over to police in other countries who enforce outright unjust and evil laws. Should the Saudi religous police that enforce draconian laws be considered basically good guys because they are just following orders and it is not their job to interpret the laws?

At the risk of invoking Godwin's law, that's known in legal circles as the Nuremberg Defense. Historically, it has been unsuccessful.