Law Enforcement Influence on California Politics

[Jack's Smirking Revenge]

Many Calgunners have stated that gun control in California is heavily influenced by law enforcement associations. It never made much sense to me because California is a Blue state run by Democrats (already like gun control). If law enforcement associations have so much influence on California politics, how did Prop 47 pass?

[postal]

My opinion, is you dont see it in the right light..

The high up LE are politicians, or whose job relies on the pleasing of their politician, so they have to toe a line to keep in good favor.

The other half of that... is that ALMOST NO LAWS that affect us mere peasants apply to LE... so they get to eat cake, and dont care about us.

In this one instance of PPT of off roster guns being attacked, is because a few greedy cops who were publicly admonished for flipping guns for profit at very high volume... so somebody (politician) had to do something to 'protect the chidrens'...

[Ronin2]

Many Calgunners have stated that gun control in California is heavily influenced by law enforcement associations. It never made much sense to me because California is a Blue state run by Democrats (already like gun control). If law enforcement associations have so much influence on California politics, how did Prop 47 pass?

The LE unions own the Democrats in Sacramento and therefore yield a lot of influence. Those same Democrats are by and large pro criminal / soft on crime who support decriminalizing drug use etc.. while at the same time continuing their campaign to disarm law abiding California citizens.

They took the cowards / easy way out buy doing all the "decriminalizing/ soft on criminals" activity via a proposition voted on by the people instead of potentially taking the heat from voters by going it legislatively.

All they had to do was misrepresent what Prop 47 did in totality and it passed in this liberal blue state.

In short the state's Democratic majority "dodged the bullet and passed the buck " with their support of a deceptive name/description for Prop 47 so the "low information voters" that make up the majority of the California electorate are the one "technically responsible" for pro 47.

The majority of rank and file LE unions and associations opposed prop 47 including the very democratic leaning PORAC.

[el_june]

There was plenty of support from those in the law enforcement community on prop 47. Sure there are a bunch of bitter beat cops who will piss/moan about their low hanging fruit being taken away and their ability jack peoples property, kick in their doors, take away their gun rights, voting rights, get warrants, harass/bother, and toss them in jail but that is to be expected since that is what they spend the majority of their time doing. You'd figure they'd be happy to focus on real crime and violence but I guess some digress.

Go Warriors!

So when someone takes/steals your property, your cool with LE skipping the call and taking no action, in your words "their low hanging fruit", so they can go and focus on real crime?... Just checking....

[The Last American Hero]

Prop 47 was a "baby with the bath water" deal.

90% of those who voted for it would say "Steal gun go to jail, date rape drugs go to jail".


Another problem is due to Civil Service and other hiring practices, LE is a Good Old Boys club that hasn't had any Adult Supervision for about 100yrs and several generations of unchecked incest has been going on.

When was the last time the voters could elect a person who had the authority to hire and fire LEOs?

All forms of the Civil Service should be ended and we should return that power to voters, AKA "Spoils System". Elections need to mean something. Today, most of the Govt, and hence most of the American economy, has completely jumped the track and operates outside any Constitutional framework due to Civil Service entrenchment.

Organized Crime can't exist without a Civil Service non-police force. The Mob can't bribe the electorate, but it is easy to bribe the few elected officials(but only till next election) and even easier to outright control all Civil Service.


However, it does seem that all actual LEO orgs are dead set against Prop 47, while certain Limo-Liberal DAs and politicians are for it, and while I believe that LE unions do spend the majority of their time and effort "plotting against the taxpayers"(ever eavesdrop on ANY group of chatting cops???) they are sincere when they say Prop 47 will result in massive increase in crime......

and they haven't even touched on a few politically incorrect issues like how it will be ANOTHER magnet for MORE illegal aliens from South of the Border (and elsewhere) to set up shop in CA. Will CA now be the USA's main marketplace for Date Rape Drugs and Stolen Property(from across USA)? Count on it.

Plus, with reduced "no jail" assaults it will be nicer for criminal gangs to run their own forms of "governance". No Jail for a wide range of semi-violent or "pre-violent" crime will make things like Human Trafficking/Sex Slaving a lot easier.


"People wouldn't have taken away the cops' toys if they hadn't abused the power for so long." I'm going to disagree, and I'm not generally pro-cop. The issue was PRISON OVERCROWDING, period. We have PO because we have an expectation of a White western world society, but a new hard core majority 3rd world demographic.

Fact is LEO have been under ORDERS to let illegals 'skate' on a wide range of crimes, from routine statutory rape to routine felony hit and run to routine DV for decades.

[The Last American Hero]

.America has the most ridiculous incarceration rates in the world.

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No, we have the most ridiculous Border/Immigration Policy in the world (although UK is close second, with similar rise in crime and general degradation of society in general). In addition, since Civil Rights, we have a large Black population that has been raised hearing every crime they commit is the White man's fault.

Our Incarceration Rate is going to be higher than any mono-ethnic European nation, even for the White demographic of the USA. More 'action' means higher 'overhead' for LE.

EVERY person I've talked to who has been overseas (besides tourist jaunts) says they are amazed how "free" it is in the USA compared to anywhere else. Those other people might not be technically in prison, but the whole nation is run like a prison and no one steps out of line. Everyone is on "work release" at best.

[CZ man in LA]

The officers that I know of are all nice people who are just doing their job. But the higher up the ladder, they become politicians.

[wildhawker]

The officers that I know of are all nice people who are just doing their job. But the higher up the ladder, they become politicians.

Unfortunately, not all are so "nice" about enforcing bad policies and unconstitutional laws.

-BC

[RuskieShooter]

If law enforcement associations have so much influence on California politics, how did Prop 47 pass?

Prop 47 was a voter approved ballot measure and outside the influence of the legislature.

The normal process for creating laws is a legislator writes a law, it gets approved by committee, it gets approved by the legislature, and it gets signed into law by the governor (this is the tl;dr version... The actual process is a bit more complicated). Because law enforcement unions have bought and paid for the politician (along with other unions) , they help write the law and get exempted from the law. By exempting LEO from anti-2A laws, the politician gets to disarm the public but still guarantee his support from the unions.

Ballot measures are typically written by an advocacy group(s). They then collect signatures and if they get enough signatures the proposition is placed on the ballot and voted on. If it gets enough votes (# of votes > %50) then it becomes law. The ballot procedure lets groups do end-runs around the government and (attempt to) create laws without government input.

-Ruskie

[erik_26]

Because law enforcement unions have bought and paid for the politician (along with other unions) , they help write the law and get exempted from the law. By exempting LEO from anti-2A laws, the politician gets to disarm the public but still guarantee his support from the unions.

-Ruskie

This says a lot.

Got to love how the exempt have no qualms about arresting the non-exempt for violating the very laws they are personally exempt from.

Golly mister, how could that ever cause a distrust?

[erik_26]

The officers that I know of are all nice people who are just doing their job. But the higher up the ladder, they become politicians.

So if your boss makes a policy or orders you to do something unethical, it's ok?

You would just be doing your job after all, right?

[pacrat]

Many Calgunners have stated that gun control in California is heavily influenced by law enforcement associations. It never made much sense to me because California is a Blue state run by Democrats (already like gun control). If law enforcement associations have so much influence on California politics, how did Prop 47 pass?

OP asked how 47 passed. And influence of LE "Associations".

In the instance of 47. [not considering other bills]

It's all about MONEY and BSM coverage. Apathetic voters in Kommyfornia see dozens of TV Ads daily where 2 Liberal DAs CLAIM all LE are in favor of 47. They choose to believe rather than read the bill themselves and research who actually supports it or not.

That does not mean that ALL LE support it. Just that 2 individuals CLAIM they do. But WTF they are lawyers and are expected to lie.

Low info apathetic liberal Kommyfornia voters are easily duped, and tend to believe what ever they see coming out of liberal mouths on the idiot box.

The actual LE Associations and everyone else against 47 were poorly funded and couldn't get the necessary AIR TIME to get the truth to these voters.

IT'S ALL ABOUT THE BENJAMINS.

jm2C

[9M62]

So if your boss makes a policy or orders you to do something unethical, it's ok?

You would just be doing your job after all, right?

If a court saws a law is legal, it is not the individual Officers position to decide that the law is illegal. If it were, by that notion, an individual Officer could also decide that something should be a law and enforce his/her own opinion for something that wasn't illegal.

Trust me, you don't want that.

What a Police Officer needs to be is an impartial, objective person, who enforces the law (or the spirit of the law) as it is defined and deemed appropriate by the courts.

When the law changes, or the courts say it is not a legal law anymore, the Officer needs to adjust his/her enforcement practices. If they do anything else, including ignoring lawful orders and laws, they are acting unethical.

I understand how that may seem to be a pain in the ***, or unfair; And in some cases it is, but it is not unethical and trust me, the alternative where an individual beat cop gets to make the rules and decide which ones are legally approved and which ones aren't is a much much worse way to live.

[erik_26]

If a court saws a law is legal, it is not the individual Officers position to decide that the law is illegal.

So if it became legal to beat citizens then it makes it ok?

If it became legal to disarm citizens then it would be ok?

When will folks stop blindly following orders?

If it were, by that notion, an individual Officer could also decide that something should be a law and enforce his/her own opinion for something that wasn't illegal.

Trust me, you don't want that.

Agreed. I am not advocating a LEO making up the laws as they go. It does happen though. Not all, but there is a percentage out there that figure it is best to let the DA sort it all out.

What a Police Officer needs to be is an impartial, objective person, who enforces the law (or the spirit of the law) as it is defined and deemed appropriate by the courts.

Yes. They should also refuse to execute unethical orders, tactics or laws.

Cops do precarious things. When they get caught it is called, "officer safety" or "good policing".

Must feel really good to go home to the kids and tell them how they must never lie. They must always tell the truth. Always fight for what is right.

Then throw all that out the door when they put on their urban combat, I mean blue uniform to go to work where they lie, bully, disarm and fudge their way through an arrest. Sure.. I bet 75% or more arrest are pretty clear cut without any shenanigans.

[erik_26]

Low info apathetic liberal Kommyfornia voters are easily duped, and tend to believe what ever they see coming out of liberal mouths on the idiot box.

jm2C

Nice! Glad to know what you think of anyone that votes in opposition of you.

They must all be stupid, right?