would this be a legal way to be able to buy a gun without a wait?

[bohoki]

i was thinking maybe a gunstore could start a no wait rifle plan that a customer could sign up for yearly for $500

on jan1 you put in a longarm dros then your 10 day wait starts you can pick up a long arm after jan 10 then at jan 20 the store does another longarm dros and continues doing so every 20 days

so there is 356 days divide by 20 is about 18 multiply by say a $26 dros fee that would come out to $475 so the store makes $25 plus the profit on the gun and the knowledge that the person is going to be a fairly loyal customer

so there is never a time of the year you are not covered by an active and ready longarm dros so the person can just come in pick out a long arm and walk out with it

what do you think?

[69Mach1]

Or, find a dealer who's willing to start DROS before the gun ships to the FFL. Shortens the wait quite a bit.

[GenLee]

There is a very easy way out of a 10 day wait, Its jail.

[hawk1]

i was thinking maybe a gunstore could start a no wait rifle plan that a customer could sign up for yearly for $500

on jan1 you put in a longarm dros then your 10 day wait starts you can pick up a long arm after jan 10 then at jan 20 the store does another longarm dros and continues doing so every 20 days

so there is 356 days divide by 20 is about 18 multiply by say a $26 dros fee that would come out to $475 so the store makes $25 plus the profit on the gun and the knowledge that the person is going to be a fairly loyal customer

so there is never a time of the year you are not covered by an active and ready longarm dros so the person can just come in pick out a long arm and walk out with it

what do you think?

I think you'd be throwing your money away. With a little planning you can do this without DROS'ing every 20 days.

[dilligaffrn]

C&R long-guns over 50 yrs old...

[bohoki]

I think you'd be throwing your money away. With a little planning you can do this without DROS'ing every 20 days.

how do you figure?

i figure in order to always a be outside a waiting period
you need to have an overlap of 10 days before the 30 day period is up so that would to me mean one dros every 20 days

some people out there have more money than time

not me but this is just an idea

[nick]

Under normal circumstances I just fail to see the problem with waiting for 10 days. It's annoying, and it's burdensome, as it takes two trips to the dealer and such. However, most people can manage it.

Rather than coming up with ways to go around it, I think we should just use that energy to get rid of this provision altogether, if it's a problem to many.

[hawk1]

how do you figure?

i figure in order to always a be outside a waiting period
you need to have an overlap of 10 days before the 30 day period is up so that would to me mean one dros every 20 days

some people out there have more money than time

not me but this is just an idea

Lets see, based your idea, if your FFL is running a DROS for you every 20 days, you walk in on day 21 and buy a rifle, you are not walking out with that rifle until day 30 anyways. Tell me how DROS'ing every 20 days is going to get you to walk with a rifle the same day you buy expcept for the last day of your DROS? Like I said, a little planning...

[knuckled]

Lets see, based your idea, if your FFL is running a DROS for you every 20 days, you walk in on day 21 and buy a rifle, you are not walking out with that rifle until day 30 anyways. Tell me how DROS'ing every 20 days is going to get you to walk with a rifle the same day you buy expcept for the last day of your DROS? Like I said, a little planning...

I think according to this 'plan' you are putting that rifle on the dros that started 21 days before, and therefore have already 'completed' the 10-day waiting period.

[AngelDecoys]

I think the effort would be better spent in getting the form available for online use. If it can't be reduced to the instant check, it should be modernized and paperless.

A digital signature, and the dealer puts the form online. Auto fill to the DOJ's form, and the FFL would save time entering the information. Viola, and with the info stored with the FFL of your choice, it becomes automatic every time you want to buy something. Do the dros online, so only 1 trip in to pick it up.

[bohoki]

Lets see, based your idea, if your FFL is running a DROS for you every 20 days, you walk in on day 21 and buy a rifle, you are not walking out with that rifle until day 30 anyways. Tell me how DROS'ing every 20 days is going to get you to walk with a rifle the same day you buy expcept for the last day of your DROS? Like I said, a little planning...

maybe you are having difficulty with the "plan"

day #1 dros you have to wait 10 days then you have waited
so any day after but before the 31st day you can pick up on that dros

on day 20 a new dros goes in and allows you to pick up a anything you want from day 30-60 but on day 50 a new dros goes in and that one would be for picking up anything between day 60-90 and on day 80 a dros goes in to allow you to pick up anything from the period of 90-120

and so forth every 20 days

of course it would only allow one gun every 20 days but i can live with that hmm i guess it could be more if the dealer selects 5 longarms every dros (last time i checked its not illegal to change your mind and only buy one or even none)

the plan should also have everybody dros on the same day otherwise it would be confusing to remember everybodys 20th day

i'm just saying there might be people out there that would pay $500 or more per year to be able to walk in and buy a rifle and walk out without having to go back twice or have to wait

i'm not sure of the laws on the 4473 form but can you add firearms to it within the 30 day period? say you bought one on day 20 and had your eye on an another slept on it and came back can they add it to the 4473 you used yesterday or is that one closed? after "the sign and date here"

[slick_711]

i'm not sure of the laws on the 4473 form but can you add firearms to it within the 30 day period? say you bought one on day 20 and had your eye on an another slept on it and came back can they add it to the 4473 you used yesterday or is that one closed? after "the sign and date here"

Given your "plan" you would do the 4473 on the spot per gun when you pick it up, and the FFL would add the info from your most recent DROS to the 4473. The 4473 is federal, DROS is state, so the two are only marginally related. It sounds like a lot of trouble to go to just to get out of a little wait though. Plan your purchases ahead of time or something.

[hawk1]

Ok, I understand better of what you speak.
Now, what FFL in his right mind would do all that work for $25? I know you said he'll get transfer fees and such but thats not a guaranty he will. The only thing for sure is you'll pay him $500 of which only $25 will be his. He's not assured in any way that you will continue to buy.

[Theseus]

Under normal circumstances I just fail to see the problem with waiting for 10 days. It's annoying, and it's burdensome, as it takes two trips to the dealer and such. However, most people can manage it.

Rather than coming up with ways to go around it, I think we should just use that energy to get rid of this provision altogether, if it's a problem to many.

Well, for this case...Turners has a good deal on a handgun...but I can't buy it because I will be going out of country before the 10 days, and after the 30 days...So I can't buy it....

[jamesob]

well california will not let this happen, but if you move to az,nv or oregon they have a 10 minute wait. would that be short enough for you?