Gun shop FUD on an AR, or is this a felony?

[randy]

I think Oaktree is erroring on the side of caution. If they tell their customers not to use the tool to dump the mag it's because they don't want any of their customers hassled by an unknowning cop.

[CHS]

I think Oaktree is erroring on the side of caution. If they tell their customers not to use the tool to dump the mag it's because they don't want any of their customers hassled by an unknowning cop.

You don't understand what the OP's claimed that oak tree said though.

He's claiming that Oak Tree said that an open mag well is just flat out plain illegal (A felony).

That is wrong. It is not a felony at all.

It's one thing for a range to have a policy of no open mag wells, and asking that people top-break to feed. If this is politely asked of shooters, and part of their official policy, I don't imagine that anyone would have a problem with them. Their range, their rules.

But that's a far cry from screaming FELONY!!! at the top of your lungs when someone merely asks about a bullet button and an open mag well.

[onenevertoconform]

Well here is what happened to me. I am a proud new owner of my 1st AR15. I have been building it over the last month and been doing a lot of research on calguns and the net. I purchased my lower from my FFL dealer. I then a week or so later got my LPK from lan world plus a few other things. I followed the explation guild of how to put it together and was done in 45 min. So now I had a complete lower with out a mag but a BB installed and a pistol grip. I am pretty stoked and wanted to make sure I did it right being NONE of my friends are into black rifles, and this is my 1st attempt of ever working on a gun more then just cleaning it. So I go down to my FFl and ask can you double check to make sure I did it right? He is a nice guy and said sure so I pulled it out of my case and he was like WHOAAA. I asked him what the prob was and he said I was committing a felony because I did not have a mag in the lower???? WTF!!!!I did not even own any mags yet? At the time I did not want to get in to a argument and plus I needed a 10 rounder anyways so I just got one from him and slapped it in.I explained to him that I did alot of research and that this was completely legal in a non argumentively sort of way. He said "you must be reading CALGUNS forums and some one there started a rumour that what i was doing was legal and it spread like wild fire".Well I am not going to say what shop this was because I do like the guys down there. But that seems to be the misconception from gun shop owners.

Since I am new to the BRD(and yes I have it bad all ready)I plan on handling the rifle the way I feel comftable with it. I am only gonna have a 10 round clip.No 10/30 clips. I am gonna top load it at the range. When I transport it I will separate the upper and lower from each other. I realize I dont have to do these steps but I am going to do these steps because sooo many people are misinformed about whats right and whats wrong (LEO and gun shop/range workers).

All this BS goes out the window once I step into a free state. Basicaly what I am trying to say is handle your weapon the way you feel is right. I really dont want to get into a argument with a puppy LEO who is full of piss and vinager and who will show this old man a thing or two even when there dead wrong. The LEO in my town are young and right out of P.O.S.T and do there F.T. here then move on to a bigger city.

Just my 2 cents

[bruss01]

Wow, this thread was educational. I always thought that while a rifle with the BB was technically legal to own, that you had to disassemble the rifle or at least strip it of all evil features before it was technically 100% within the law to remove the magazine. I thought that people who used the tool to remove the magazine while shooting (at the range) were skirting the law for the 10 seconds the magazine was removed from the firearm, and hoping no one would notice.

[tombinghamthegreat]

Since I am new to the BRD(and yes I have it bad all ready)I plan on handling the rifle the way I feel comftable with it. I am only gonna have a 10 round clip.No 10/30 clips. I am gonna top load it at the range. When I transport it I will separate the upper and lower from each other. I realize I dont have to do these steps but I am going to do these steps because sooo many people are misinformed about whats right and whats wrong (LEO and gun shop/range workers).

what is loaded defination for CA and transportation Also use the search button to see what the letter of the law is.

Most of the LE, DA and gun stores are aware of the laws but some gun stores are cowards and spread FUD out of fear or ignorance. The police/DA are aware of the laws but they do not want people to carry firearms, fear an armed society, or be able to defend themselves. Hopefully as time goes on you will be more conformable and exercise your rights regardless of any empty threats the DOJ makes or any rumors people spread.

[b25]

Wow, this thread was educational. I always thought that while a rifle with the BB was technically legal to own, that you had to disassemble the rifle or at least strip it of all evil features before it was technically 100% within the law to remove the magazine. I thought that people who used the tool to remove the magazine while shooting (at the range) were skirting the law for the 10 seconds the magazine was removed from the firearm, and hoping no one would notice.

I think DOJ will tell you that this was the intent of the PC. However, as the threads linked herein state, the verbiage in the PC (specifically, the definition of "detachable magazine") do not make an open magwell and/or attachable magazine illegal.

As member onenevertoconform states - do what you are comfortable with. Me? As much as I want to install a BB and drop magazines while on the range, I'm not comfortable with doing so (yet).

-b

[socalgunrunner]

I've spent an hour reading Gene's bullet button thread; I can now see that the Bullet Button is a play on words (detachable).

uclaplinker - we're not all experts, nor do we all have HOURS to read through lengthy threads (although I try my best). My post wasn't intended to 'show you how you're wrong' - rather, I cited (what I thought was credible) the CALGUNS ARK/AK OLL FAQ/Memo. Since thousands of folks come here for information, hopefully the admins/moderators will update the FAQ which will undoubtedly eliminate some of the "FUD".

-b

You do have a valid point. The OLL FAQ needs to be revised.

Every time someone asks questions such as yours, there are numerous responses such as "This has been covered a million times already!", or "Hey Noob...go read the OLL FAQ!!!"

How can we get upset for others spreading FUD if our very own "educational tools" contain misinformation. If a gun shop owner reads the part of the FAQ that says it is a felony to drop the mag and he repeats it to a customer, how exactly is this "FUD"?

[viras]

I believe Spike's Tactical will ship with installed BBs/P50s a complete AR.

Yes they will -

I have an e-mail dated Thursday, October 11, 2007 7:39 PM where Angela over at Spike's says that if you can arrange to have the BB sent to them, they'll install it on a lower prior to shipping it to your FFL. The e-mail is kinda simple, but I called with a followup barrage of questions - they are very accommodating to CA.

Unless things have changed in the last 11 months... Someone may wanna call and get an update. Angela is really nice.

RE: Enquiry from Spike's Tactical
Thursday, October 11, 2007 7:39 PM
From:
"sales@spikestactical.com" <sales@spikestactical.com>
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To:
"XXXXXXXXX" <XXXXXXXXXXXXXX>
Hi XXXXXX,
Thanks for your enquiry. I've been trying to check on this bullet button
you are talking about. It doesn't look like it would be an issue to install
it. You would just need to have it sent to the address listed below.
If you'd like to give me a call when you're ready to order I'll make sure to
notate it on your order.
Thanks so much for your interest,
Angela

Spike's Tactical LLC
Phone: 407-928-2666
Fax 866-283-2215
2593 Clark Street #103
Apopka, FL 32703

https://www.spikestactical.com

-----Original Message-----
From: XXXXXXX [mailto:XXXXXXXXXX]
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 10:58 PM
To: Spikes Tactical
Subject: Enquiry from Spike's Tactical



Hello,

I want to get the Complete Lower w/ CTR upgrade + Ergo Grip + Color Fill,
but I live in CA, so I was wondering if you guys could install a bullet
button for me? Please let me know if that's possible.

Thank you

BUT - The above route would be more expensive overall. Your best bet is to go with one of the Cali vendors and save on shipping back and forth.

[Meplat]

AR's are a POS.

I can't believe that you have 428 post and still don't own an AR.

[motorhead]

featureless is the way. of course i'm prejudiced. i can't walk to the head without tripping over a preban 30rd ak mag.

[Ironchef]

No.

I spoke with one of the girls at Spike's and she said they have shipped ARs with BB's installed and they'd do it for me if I wanted. I ended up just getting the lower and still deciding on a 22lr upper or .223 upper. They are happy to accommodate CA orders and are impressed with Calguns and the whole "OLL thing" according to a call I made.

[localguy]

AR's are a POS.

This information was informative until I came to your post. Thank you SO MUCH for your contribution to this thread.