They Pile on the Laws Faster Than We Can Fight Them

[CZ man in LA]

It appears as if a lot of Calgunners have forgotten this too. The last time I checked ... California is still part of the Republic we call the United States of America.

CA is still part of the US and many counties in CA consider it that way too. It's mainly LA County that shifts the votes here in CA that's the problem.

And even within LA County, there's a difference between those that live in the metropolitan area of City of LA to other cities within LA County like Burbank, Glendale, Torrance, Long Beach, Whittier, Azusa, Palmdale and Lancaster.

And even within City of LA, there's a major difference in opinion between the City of LA in the heart of the region to the City of LA in the San Fernando Valley.

Statistical info:

Population of State of CA: 38 million (and growing), making us the most populous state in the US
Population of LA County: 10 million (and growing), making LA County the most populous county in the US
Population of City of LA: expected to top 4 million end of this year

[krwada]

LA County

CA is still part of the US and many counties in CA consider it that way too. It's mainly LA County that shifts the votes here in CA that's the problem.

And even within LA County, there's a difference between those that live in the metropolitan area of City of LA to other cities within LA County like Burbank, Glendale, Torrance, Long Beach, Whittier, Azusa, Palmdale and Lancaster.

And even within City of LA, there's a major difference in opinion between the City of LA in the heart of the region to the City of LA in the San Fernando Valley.

Statistical info:

Population of State of CA: 38 million (and growing), making us the most populous state in the US
Population of LA County: 10 million (and growing), making LA County the most populous county in the US
Population of City of LA: expected to top 4 million end of this year

The population of LA County is 26% of California's population?

Wow!!!

From what you are saying ... it appears as if the political climate of LA is pretty diverse?

To tell you the truth ... other than Disneyland, Knottsberry Farm, Hollywood ... I have no clue when it comes to LA.

[SWalt]

Terms limits is the legal immunity. Politicians now view politics as a merry go round that they are forced to jump off of every 2nd term and move on to the next highest office.

Thus, they can never be punished after their second term by being voted out of office for violating the peoples will, or incurring the wrath of a once strong, moneyed, politically active minority such as gun owners or other groups.

Once upon a time the political elite feared strong vocal minorities because during midterm election cycles, they could hijack the polls, by getting out more of their members when most voters do not come out traditionally to vote.

Politicians now actually have an incentive to do the opposite which is bait vocal minority or special interests groups to make a name for the politician, or strengthen their national base etc. by creating controversy, or defining divisions in the electorate so they have the name recognition to move to the next highest office.

It is no coincidence that Yee, at the end of his final term, was one of the strictest gun control advocates in the country, and with no career prospects outside of government, and large debts was attempting to run for Sec. of State while proposing the most draconian guns laws.

There was also a rash of similar unnecessary, feel good laws against sex offenders, after term limits were imposed. Again another easy target as political correctness does not allow the targeting of traditional minority groups on the basis of race or religion etc.

Until term limits are reversed we can expect unscrupulous, psychopaths, like Yee to stand out from the pack by targeting the civil rights of gun owners.

It will be death by a thousand cuts until the courts intervene, which is what also happened with racial civil rights in America. Once the Yee's of the past constructed an air tight segregated social system, with the tacit consent of the majority,that oppressed racial minorities; those groups had to find relief in the courts.

I would rather limit the time a legislature can pass law. Perhaps the legislature can be in session every other yr and only 6 months of the yr it was in session to legislate. Legislatures legislate, limit the opportunity to do so.

[Wiz-of-Awd]

The population of LA County is 26% of California's population?

Wow!!!

From what you are saying ... it appears as if the political climate of LA is pretty diverse?

To tell you the truth ... other than Disneyland, Knottsberry Farm, Hollywood ... I have no clue when it comes to LA.

Or Anaheim and Buena Park it would appear

A.W.D.

[SWalt]

The population of LA County is 26% of California's population?

Wow!!!

From what you are saying ... it appears as if the political climate of LA is pretty diverse?

To tell you the truth ... other than Disneyland, Knottsberry Farm, Hollywood ... I have no clue when it comes to LA.

Its very heavy liberal nowa days. It use to be more even 30 yrs ago.

[e90bmw]

To borrow a phrase: "I was once blind, but now I see."
For many years I was a complacent gun owner and I guess, now I know I was part of the problem for not being vocal about my 2A rights.

I grew up around guns and have owned at least one pistol since I was old enough to own one.

Anyway, I never was and am not an advocate of term limits.
If you don't like the bum, vote them out. Now we don't even have that as leverage.

But back to the topic.
The strategy, whether they say it or not is to propose so many new gun laws that we go broke trying to fight them.

They should be doing real work trying to solve infrastructure problems.
Try to solve budget problems.
Try to figure out why the $500 million dollar payroll system they bought doesn't work.

But noooooo. Let's put some additional gun control out there.

What did you do for your 2A rights today?
Me? I donated another sum to an organization that supports my 2A.

[LCU1670]

I hope as more and more anti gun laws are piled on, people start to see that they are being dooped and there is a backlash.

Not as many people believe in Obama anymore, and his decisions, or lack of them are starting to catch up to him.

[CZ man in LA]

To tell you the truth ... other than Disneyland, Knottsberry Farm, Hollywood ... I have no clue when it comes to LA.

Or Anaheim and Buena Park it would appear

A.W.D.

Disneyland (Anaheim) and Knott's Berry Farm (Buena Park) are attractions (city name in parenthesis) in Orange County.

From what you are saying ... it appears as if the political climate of LA is pretty diverse?.

LA County is diverse, with lots of cultures of whites, blacks, Hispanics, Asians all with large populations living in a single county of 10 million (and bound to grow).

That being said, the politics of CA is mainly skewed to the largest county, which is LA County, which in turn is skewed to the largest city in LA County, which is the City of LA.

As you said, 26% of CA lives in LA County (10 million of 38 million)
40% of LA County lives in the City of LA (4 million of 10 million)


If you place them up to the list of populations of the US states

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_population

LA County (10 million) alone has more people than the State of Georgia and just behind the State of Ohio. If LA County were a state, it would be eighth most populous state in the nation.

City of LA (4 million) alone has more people than the State of Oregon and just behind the State of Kentucky. If City of LA were it's own state, it would be the 26th most populous state in the nation.


Want more scary stuff?

The population of the entire US stands at 315 million. 10 million people live in LA County. Three percent of Americans live in LA County. A single COUNTY (not STATE!) has 3 PERCENT of the population of the ENTIRE US. And it's growing.

[krwada]

Greater LA Basin

Disneyland (Anaheim) and Knott's Berry Farm (Buena Park) are attractions (city name in parenthesis) in Orange County.


Though in many ways, OC is a lot like LA County. Many people who have jobs in LA County do live in neighboring counties like OC, Ventura, San Bernardino, some as far away as Riverside.

So ... is it an affront to lump together all the counties in the greater LA Basin and call it LA?

The greater LA Basin must have a very large population!

[ja308]

Nothing in what you write comes as a surprise or is new to anybody.

There is nothing to "re-evaluate".

Our options are limited, and our only hope right now is judicial action.

Long term, you may see a cultural shift in CA which makes firearms less taboo, but until the average D political candidate sees being anti-gun as a liability, or the R party gets their act together, that is all you have.

Initiatives require a lot of votes and a lot of money.

What other strategy are you suggesting.

The California Republican Party has its act together, just like the Utah,Arizona, Wisconsin and at last count IIRC 32 states led by republicans have their act together .

It's we the California gun owner that is too ignorant, too stupid and too cowardly to promote the Republican Party in California !
Look at this forum for proof of how Calgunners never give credit for anything the GOP does .

Want to stop bad laws? join with what other states are doing and join the GOP .

[CZ man in LA]

So ... is it an affront to lump together all the counties in the greater LA Basin and call it LA?

The greater LA Basin must have a very large population!

For political statistics, yes. What the US Census uses is called the Los Angeles Metropolitan Statistical Area, when put together the entire region has a population of 13.1 million, or 34% of the entire population of CA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas

This would make LA Metropolitan Area, the second largest metropolitan area only to the NY area.

If you put it up with the major metropolitan areas in the world, LA Metropolitan Statistical Area is the 13th largest in the world, more than Kolkata, India and right behind Manila, Philippines

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_areas_by_population

So what has this have to do with all of our 2A rights?

When the anti-gunners say "oh but LA is different, we have so many people that we can't let people have guns here blah-blah-blah" they actually have a point. While we may fight back those words by saying "it works fine in Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, Seattle, etc. etc." when it comes to LA, it's a different animal.

Now you know that in terms of population, LA outranks every other major city in the US, second only to NYC area, which is the other anti-gun area in the nation. And 34% of CA lives right here in the southland. Politics then of course, obviously becomes skewed towards this area of CA.

But, number three Chicago area is gone thanks to McDonald v. Chicago, so there's only two places left for us to win the battle. Winning over 2A rights in LA will be a major milestone for 2A rights not only in CA, but for the rest of the nation.

Easier said than done though; we're still hearing crickets from Peruta.

But if Peruta stands, so does the entire CA CCW scheme of leaving the discretion to county sheriffs.

LA County is no different; LA County must follow State of CA laws.

Then if LA County goes shall-issue, so must the City of LA within it; City of LA must abide by LA County and the State of CA.

Take City of LA, you take the entire LA Metropolitan Statistical Region.

Take that, the only one left to topple is the NY Area.


We're literally stone throw away from a major change here and Peruta can't come sooner.

[GSF44Mag]

It's wonderful if you are young and have the time to wait DECADES for some slim chance that you might gain a modicum of the freedom, people just across the border enjoy. Good for you. If you are old and remember when California was a cool place to live and firearm owners weren't treated like potential criminals, LIKE WE ARE NOW!. Good for you. I want the same Freedom that Citizens across the California border have....NOW. The best plan of action is plan your escape to Freedom.

^^^^ These are my thoughts. I will be retiring in 2 years, and I will not stop from my plan, and that is to get out of this God forsaken state. I will keep working here, and take all of the extra wages that Kommiefornia provides. After that? KMA! lol Kommiefornia is lost. Share it with the illegals if you must, but I will spend my money elsewhere. YMMV.

[ja308]

For political statistics, yes. What the US Census uses is called the Los Angeles Metropolitan Statistical Area, when put together the entire region has a population of 13.1 million, or 34% of the entire population of CA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas

This would make LA Metropolitan Area, the second largest metropolitan area only to the NY area.

If you put it up with the major metropolitan areas in the world, LA Metropolitan Statistical Area is the 13th largest in the world, more than Kolkata, India and right behind Manila, Philippines

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_areas_by_population

So what has this have to do with all of our 2A rights?

When the anti-gunners say "oh but LA is different, we have so many people that we can't let people have guns here blah-blah-blah" they actually have a point. While we may fight back those words by saying "it works fine in Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, Seattle, etc. etc." when it comes to LA, it's a different animal.

Now you know that in terms of population, LA outranks every other major city in the US, second only to NYC area, which is the other anti-gun area in the nation. And 34% of CA lives right here in the southland. Politics then of course, obviously becomes skewed towards this area of CA.

But, number three Chicago area is gone thanks to McDonald v. Chicago, so there's only two places left for us to win the battle. Winning over 2A rights in LA will be a major milestone for 2A rights not only in CA, but for the rest of the nation.

Easier said than done though; we're still hearing crickets from Peruta.

But if Peruta stands, so does the entire CA CCW scheme of leaving the discretion to county sheriffs.

LA County is no different; LA County must follow State of CA laws.

Then if LA County goes shall-issue, so must the City of LA within it; City of LA must abide by LA County and the State of CA.

Take City of LA, you take the entire LA Metropolitan Statistical Region.

Take that, the only one left to topple is the NY Area.


We're literally stone throw away from a major change here and Peruta can't come sooner.

Rather optimistic and not exactly accurate .

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-12-27/news/ct-guns-concealed-carry-law-20131227_1_gun-violence-cook-county-forest-preserves-law-enforcement

After a hard-fought battle, Illinois residents next month can begin applying for permits to carry concealed guns in public. But those who do could face another challenge: figuring out where it's legal to carry a firearm and where having a gun could land them in jail.

While the Illinois statute lays out nearly two dozen places where guns are prohibited — including schools, public parks, government offices and hospitals — it also includes caveats that might seem confusing, even contradictory, particularly to novice gun carriers.

In other words, firearms instructors said, it's OK to arm yourself while riding a bike through the Cook County Forest Preserves, but you'd better not get off your bike to use the bathroom.

Compare this crap to states that just elect republicans and ask yourself which is the better solution !
Once again to stop all these laws from being written. Republicans must have control of the legislature .
A part time legislature would help. But since it was California voters who wanted a full time legislature . Good luck putting that genie back in the bottle .

[CZ man in LA]

Compare this crap to states that just elect republicans and ask yourself which is the better solution !

Realistically and statistically, if can you convince the number of eligible voters living in the 10 million LA County residents to vote GOP (subtract illegal aliens, legal resident aliens who have yet to become US citizens, and those under the legal voting age) to win over the seats in the CA legislature to skew the votes back to the GOP, sure. Most likely chance is zero, let alone the fact that voter registration itself is low throughout CA as well.

The best chance we get is to win in the courts so that Peruta changes the scheme to bringing shall issue to LA County. And it'll still be a long road ahead from there.

It's not going to go from night to day at a flick of button. If you don't want to wait and want to see daylight ASAP, AZ, NV and OR is right next door to us. And some people will. And other will stay. To each to their own.

[ja308]

Realistically and statistically, if can you convince the number of eligible voters living in the 10 million LA County residents to vote GOP (subtract illegal aliens, legal resident aliens who have yet to become US citizens, and those under the legal voting age) to win over the seats in the CA legislature to skew the votes back to the GOP, sure. Most likely chance is zero, let alone the fact that voter registration itself is low throughout CA as well.

The best chance we get is to win in the courts so that Peruta changes the scheme to bringing shall issue to LA County. And it'll still be a long road ahead from there.

It's not going to go from night to day at a flick of button. If you don't want to wait and want to see daylight ASAP, AZ, NV and OR is right next door to us. And some people will. And other will stay. To each to their own.

I'm wondering what chance those farmers had against the army of King George 3 ?
Is there a reason to not finance, support, promote and vote republican ?

By doing so we would be welcomed in states that have and are achieving RKBA victories in red states . Where incidentally gun owner s work with the republican legislatures for safety and freedom .


This just happened in Florida where republican legislature overruled a court.

"The act prohibits or significantly chills doctors from expressing their views and providing information to patients about one topic, and one topic only, firearms," Wilson wrote. "Regardless of whether we agreed with the message conveyed by doctors to patients about firearms, I think it is perfectly clear that doctors have a First Amendment right to convey that message."

Florida's Republican-controlled Legislature adopted the Firearm Owners' Privacy Act after an Ocala couple complained that a doctor had asked them about guns. The couple say they refused to answer and the physician refused to see them again.

The measure signed into law by Gov. Rick Scott prohibited doctors from asking patients about their ownership or recording that information in medical records unless it was medically necessary.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2014/07/25/658...#storylink=cpy