They Pile on the Laws Faster Than We Can Fight Them

[Lifeon2whls]

So I was reading about DC and how Peruta was used to help make that decision. I agree its a great win and I started to feel good about our situation until I realized something - the lawsuit for Peruta was filed back on 2/10/10 and its still on-going. Assuming its not overturned, what good will it be if we can't go to a LGS and buy the gun we want to carry due to the Roster? Even if we can get the gun, what about restrictions on ammo (current and/or future legislation).

What I am getting at here is that this "fight" we keep touting is like the image below. Yes, we might be able to fight the roster or mag limits, but history's shown that our legislators are able to pass numerous guns laws in a single session. In next however many years it takes for us to overturn the roster, who knows what else they'll come up with. Unless we can find a way, to stop these laws from being passed, I don't believe that we'll be able to win - we'll be mired in legal battles while they continue to pass laws unabated.

[deebix]

"The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt." -John Philpot Curran

Never give up, never surrender.

[Lifeon2whls]

"The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt." -John Philpot Curran

Never give up, never surrender.

Agreed, we just have to re-evaluate how we are fighting this battle.

[curtisfong]

Nothing in what you write comes as a surprise or is new to anybody.

There is nothing to "re-evaluate".

Our options are limited, and our only hope right now is judicial action.

Long term, you may see a cultural shift in CA which makes firearms less taboo, but until the average D political candidate sees being anti-gun as a liability, or the R party gets their act together, that is all you have.

Initiatives require a lot of votes and a lot of money.

What other strategy are you suggesting.

[advocatusdiaboli]

Nothing in what you write comes as a surprise or is new to anybody.

There is nothing to "re-evaluate".

Correct. The only strategy is retreat while we delay—there will be no winning The demographics are against us unless there is some miracle conversion in the electorate the cause of which I cannot envision.

Our options are limited, and our only hope right now is judicial action.

And the courts appear to be slipping away from us. The early ruling on Peruta was just temporary—they could have easily upheld the decision, but they didn't. that means they are taking this long because they are crafting a reversal. No other reason justifies this long a wait. None.

Long term, you may see a cultural shift in CA which makes firearms less taboo, but until the average D political candidate sees being anti-gun as a liability, or the R party gets their act together, that is all you have.

I'll have what you are smoking because it's potent stuff. Want that kind of electorate, there are plenty of Western states that have it, just not here and never here. MOVE!!!!!!!

Initiatives require a lot of votes and a lot of money.
What other strategy are you suggesting.

There is none. You are like the Jews who stayed in Berlin in the 30s thinking somehow you could prevail on common decency and sense and humanity and negotiate your survival. When they come to shove you in the oven, you remember what I told you: RUN!!!! NOW!!!!

[planetbuster]

gotta admit, i take a similarly dim view. the state of affairs in this state, ha, is just nonsense. i understand that in higher population areas, theres gonna be more drama, therefore stricter gun control. fine, i get it.

what i DONT get is why the pro-2A side isnt nearly as aggressive about things. is it money?

whats this **** about peruta NOT objecting to the AG possibly being given intervenor status? remember that? if you look through the short document list at;

http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/content/view.php?pk_id=0000000722

youll notice mention of peruta NOT raising any objection to the idea of the AG being allowed to step in for Gore.

..what the hell?

[chris]

Nothing in what you write comes as a surprise or is new to anybody.

There is nothing to "re-evaluate".

Our options are limited, and our only hope right now is judicial action.

Long term, you may see a cultural shift in CA which makes firearms less taboo, but until the average D political candidate sees being anti-gun as a liability, or the R party gets their act together, that is all you have.

Initiatives require a lot of votes and a lot of money.

What other strategy are you suggesting.

that is going to take a long time for that to change if ever.

[krwada]

asdf

Nothing lasts forever ...

Really!

[wazdat]

...whats this **** about peruta NOT objecting to the AG possibly being given intervenor status? remember that? if you look through the short document list at;

http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/content/view.php?pk_id=0000000722

youll notice mention of peruta NOT raising any objection to the idea of the AG being allowed to step in for Gore.

..what the hell?

Because the hope is SCOTUS will eventually take a "bear" case and "...will say what they intended more plainly..."

[Swagman00]

This is something I neither condone or support for consideration, but will state for fact:

As the laws continue to pile up, the amount of people that abide by them will drop. Remember the magazine registration in Connecticut?

http://www.infowars.com/connecticut-gun-owners-revolt-refuse-to-register-firearms-magazines/

Chicago is a fine example of overreaching laws that have done nothing to curb gun crime. People have to choose whether they will chance being a victims vs. having to abide by the law.

Laws (useful and helpful laws that is) are designed to be benefical to society. It was never meant to be a notching post for politicians to BS their accomplishment record by attacking the freedom of citizens rights.

Time will prove this as the stupidity continues. I mean, if the rock just keeps getting bigger and heaver, do you push harder or sidestep it?

[Fortunesfool223]

They Pile on the Laws Faster Than We Can Fight Them

until there is no legal immunity for legislators creating laws that impede constitutional rights, I think our efforts will remain mostly reactionary.

[POLICESTATE]

Eventually the only way left to fight them will not be through court cases. Eventually, as in hopefully long after I'm gone.

[keep_ur_powder_dry]

Shoulder to the grindstone!.

We are also a tenable force politically and economically. Our tenacity and dedication will supplant their misguided efforts.

Support NRA, GOA or your preferred 2A organization with $$$ and signing up members. Train neighbors and friends in safe weapon handling, encourage wives and daughters to take firearm training courses. Get the kids and gkids out shooting.

gb

[Lifeon2whls]

Shoulder to the grindstone!.

We are also a tenable force politically and economically. Our tenacity and dedication will supplant their misguided efforts.

Support NRA, GOA or your preferred 2A organization with $$$ and signing up members. Train neighbors and friends in safe weapon handling, encourage wives and daughters to take firearm training courses. Get the kids and gkids out shooting.

gb

Yep I do all of the above, have my memberships, donate money, am a CGSSA volunteer and also help with pro-2A candidates. So I fight the good fight but at what point do we realize that we're trying to bail water out of the Titanic? I don't see a cultural shift, in fact I see it continue to go the other way.

[Eldraque]

They Pile on the Laws Faster Than We Can Fight Them

Remember that CA is not the only state, there are WAY more Freedom loving states than there is communist ones