Long Beach officer shoots off-duty LAPD officer

[Casual Observer]

How is diversity equal to loosened standards???????WTF

In order to establish a more "diversified" police force, LAPD has been cutting some corners when it comes to applicants. Skin color and ethnicity now take presidence over most other considerations.

It's nothing new either in LA. I've had friends and family in LAPD, LACoFD and LAFD say they've been denied positions because they were white. Officially, they gloss it over. Internally though, it can be pretty blatant from what I've heard over the years.

[Gator Monroe]

In order to establish a more "diversified" police force, LAPD has been cutting some corners when it comes to applicants. Skin color and ethnicity now take presidence over most other considerations.

It's nothing new either in LA. I've had friends and family in LAPD, LACoFD and LAFD say they've been denied positions because they were white. Officially, they gloss it over. Internally though, it can be pretty blatant from what I've heard over the years.

Ditto !

[BigKevLA]

Ask the Border Patrol & Homeland Security ??????WTF

The Border Patrol and Homeland Security didn't make the comment, you did.

Why can't you explain yourself?

[1911su16b870]

...As police prepared to serve a search warrant at the Belmont Heights home of an LAPD officer...When responding units arrived, they saw Jason Geggie, a 26-year-old LAPD officer, who matched the suspect description and appeared drunk and was stumbling...Geggie was booked on charges of exhibiting a firearm in the presence of a police officer in a threatening manner and exhibiting a firearm at any person in a threatening manner, police said...that friends of his told investigators he had been drinking heavily when he wandered off before the shooting...Long Beach Police, with LAPD present, were preparing to serve a search warrant at Geggie's home, sources said...

Alot of fishy stuff going on...
1. They had a search warrant for him.
2. Alcohol and firearms don't mix.

[BigKevLA]

In order to establish a more "diversified" police force, LAPD has been cutting some corners when it comes to applicants. Skin color and ethnicity now take presidence over most other considerations.

It's nothing new either in LA. I've had friends and family in LAPD, LACoFD and LAFD say they've been denied positions because they were white. Officially, they gloss it over. Internally though, it can be pretty blatant from what I've heard over the years.

I think more so that minority citizens were/have been wrong by past actions of those agencies and some have consent decrees in place. Because there must be diversity in the workplace I don't see any evidence that minorities being hired by those agencies mean that those individuals were less qualified that a white person. that kind of thinking is what put the agencies in the mess that they are in now. I bet you can find tons of people that will say that they have been passed of for promotions etc because they are Asian,Black, Mexican or a Woman.

[CitaDeL]

I wouldn't call this "open carry". When we refer to that activity it means a sidearm in a holster generally. If one is in violation of 417 PC that is not "Open Carry" it is brandishing.

As far as departments regulating off duty firearm possession and alcohol consumption, I don't think they have the authority. I know they can't regulate off duty carry (open or concealed). And alcohol consumption being a legal activity, I doubt a dept. could regulate their off duty officers in this regard. It would be a matter for the legislature only IMO. Some depts. may have a policy but it may be unenforcable.

I think current law is sufficient. 647(f) PC (drunk in public) and 417 PC (brandishing) provide opportunity for illegal activities to be prosecuted. Any conviction of a misdemeanor or felony crime allows a dept. to terminate that officer.

Let the "darwins" suffer the consequences and let the responsible ones (everyone not just officers) exercise their right to self defense in non-secure areas. Making bars "victim disarmament zones" will not make us safer (I reference the recent justified self-defense shooting in a Nevada bar that resulted in the death of the assailants).

If a private property owner wanted to regulate carry I would not legally oppose the property owner. But at the same time, in doing so, should incur the liability for the prohibition.

(ironically, I'm enjoying a certain beverage and lunch at a Long Beach restaurant right now with "my little cced friend")

+1

I'm pleased you chimed in earlier than I did Liberty1- You say what Im thinking without my acerbic and often abrasive wording.

On another vein, I think its interesting how, without the benefit of the totality of the facts, some posters concluded that this must have been 'open carry' gone wrong. Thank you folks, for your continued support. I mean that. Really.

[pnkssbtz]

So, why isn't he being charged with assault with a deadly weapon?


How exactly do you "exhibit a firearm in the presence of a police officer in a threatening manner" or "exhibit a firearm at any person in a threatening manner" without it being assault with a deadly weapon?

[Liberty1]

I just heard on KFI, that Geggie was carrying a Shotgun and refused to put it down.

Heard the same thing. There are lots of camera's in Longbeach. It would be reassuring to see video back-up the shooting officers story. IMO refusing to put down a shot gun doesn't equal getting shot unless the officer perceived an aggressive move toward pointing the shotgun toward someone.

It's very hard to Monday morning quarterback these situations.

[Liberty1]

So, why isn't he being charged with assault with a deadly weapon?


How exactly do you "exhibit a firearm in the presence of a police officer in a threatening manner" or "exhibit a firearm at any person in a threatening manner" without it being assault with a deadly weapon?

Pointing a firearm at someone, not in self defense, is still brandishing. If one also says "I'm going to kill you", that is "criminal threats" 422 PC. ADW (245 PC) is a "swing(shoot) and miss" or "swing(shoot) and hit". If the firearm is fired, there is also the possibility of an attempt murder (664-187 PC) charge.

[eltee]

Ours does. If you drink and shoot, the department will turn on you like a jilted wife.

There is a famous case in SFPD that set a precedent. At one time SFPD off-dutys were required to carry. One night at a well known Irish Bar a drunk off-duty officer shot and killed another patron in what started as a typical bar beef turned bar brawl.

His defense, in part, was that he was required by law to CCW when off duty. He still went to jail but his case changed alot of policies thoughout California and possibly beyond. This was in the 60's or 70's.

[Shotgun Man]

Alot of fishy stuff going on...
1. They had a search warrant for him.
2. Alcohol and firearms don't mix.

I believe you misread the article that you quoted in your post. The search warrant was executed after the incident. As the police prepared to execute the search warrant, they revealed more details concerning the investigation.

[tyrist]

They have to charge the injured Officer with something otherwise the Long Beach Officer just comitted attempt murder. This one is going to take a long time, who knows what happened everything seems odd about this.

Why the heck would he be walking down the street with a shotgun first of all.

[U2BassAce]

A buddy of mine in Long Beach told me the suspect was not carrying a shot gun but was shot with a shot gun. I am very interested in what comes out tomorrow.

[bigthaiboy]

This shooting happened less than 3 blocks from my house. No wonder I could hear the helicopter flying around last night.

First I heard about this story, was when a friend of mine called me this morning to check it wasn't me that had been shot, since he knew I owned firearms and lived on Mira Mar. He was hoping I hadn't gone on a drunken rampage (this was before it was reported the individual who was shot was a cop).

I had to remind him, I don't do dumb things like that, especially with firearms.

[thatsteveguy]

I just heard on KFI, that Geggie was carrying a Shotgun and refused to put it down.

Wow! It's a good thing he wasn't carrying an unsafe (off roster) handgun ...that might have been too embarrasing!