Long Beach officer shoots off-duty LAPD officer

[l_Z_l]

...The suspect was wounded and taken to a hospital; he's reported in stable condition. One officer was involved in the shooting. No officers were injured...

So if your off duty your no longer considered an officer? Maybe there's departmental animosity.
Doesn't one normally identify one self as an LEO and show a badge? any LEOs, SOP for this situation?
Maybe he was drunk...

[Meplat]

The suspect has been identified as Jason Geggie, a 26-year-old Long Beach resident, currently employed as a police officer for the City of Los Angeles. When the investigation revealed that Geggie was a Los Angeles Police Officer, the Los Angeles Police Department was notified. The Long Beach Police Department will be conducting the criminal investigation, and the LAPD will be conducting their own independent administrative investigation.

Geggie has been booked for 417(c) PC - Exhibiting a firearm in the presence of a police officer in a threatening manner and 417(a)(2) PC - Exhibiting a firearm at any person in a threatening manner.

http://www.lbreport.com/news/jul08/oismira.htm

So far it looks like a clean shoot to me...

Yep. Booz.

[Casual Observer]

So if your off duty your no longer considered an officer? Maybe there's departmental animosity.
Doesn't one normally identify one self as an LEO and show a badge? any LEOs, SOP for this situation?
Maybe he was drunk...

Maybe a result of "loosened" hiring standards for LAPD to attract applicants who would otherwise be denied.

In contrast, Newport Beach PD has a policy where their officers can not even smoke on or off duty.

[Liberty1]

I wouldn't call this "open carry". When we refer to that activity it means a sidearm in a holster generally. If one is in violation of 417 PC that is not "Open Carry" it is brandishing.

As far as departments regulating off duty firearm possession and alcohol consumption, I don't think they have the authority. I know they can't regulate off duty carry (open or concealed). And alcohol consumption being a legal activity, I doubt a dept. could regulate their off duty officers in this regard. It would be a matter for the legislature only IMO. Some depts. may have a policy but it may be unenforcable.

I think current law is sufficient. 647(f) PC (drunk in public) and 417 PC (brandishing) provide opportunity for illegal activities to be prosecuted. Any conviction of a misdemeanor or felony crime allows a dept. to terminate that officer.

Let the "darwins" suffer the consequences and let the responsible ones (everyone not just officers) exercise their right to self defense in non-secure areas. Making bars "victim disarmament zones" will not make us safer (I reference the recent justified self-defense shooting in a Nevada bar that resulted in the death of the assailants).

If a private property owner wanted to regulate carry I would not legally oppose the property owner. But at the same time, in doing so, should incur the liability for the prohibition.

(ironically, I'm enjoying a certain beverage and lunch at a Long Beach restaurant right now with "my little cced friend")

[Gator Monroe]

Maybe a result of "loosened" hiring standards for LAPD to attract applicants who would otherwise be denied.

In contrast, Newport Beach PD has a policy where their officers can not even smoke on or off duty.

Diversity is not always a good thing then ?

[pnkssbtz]

The suspect has been identified as Jason Geggie, a 26-year-old Long Beach resident, currently employed as a police officer for the City of Los Angeles. When the investigation revealed that Geggie was a Los Angeles Police Officer, the Los Angeles Police Department was notified. The Long Beach Police Department will be conducting the criminal investigation, and the LAPD will be conducting their own independent administrative investigation.

Geggie has been booked for 417(c) PC - Exhibiting a firearm in the presence of a police officer in a threatening manner and 417(a)(2) PC - Exhibiting a firearm at any person in a threatening manner.

http://www.lbreport.com/news/jul08/oismira.htm

So far it looks like a clean shoot to me...

Um... brandishing? LOL


Remember the 18 year old kid who open carried? He was citied for brandishing also, when it was in a holster.

A Clever DA can charge you for anything. And Brandishing is a bullsh*t charge. IF he was threatening a cop with with it, it would be much more severe than "brandishing".


I smell BS.

[Ironchef]

Yep, too much uncertainty to judge. Maybe the lapd was unruly, maybe he was stressed out and at the pier collecting his thoughts..armed because he's not stupid at 12:30am, maybe he was drunk, maybe he was angry. Maybe the lbpd didn't ID himself well enough and the lapd drew down on him? Maybe the lbpd said it was brandishing because dang..he just shot a cop when he shouldn't have? Who is the reporting party? Was the RP a disgruntled girlfriend/boyfriend trying to get him tossed by the local cops?

This is harder to judge than the NYPD knocking over the CM cyclist! I'll let the newspapers judge for me, they never fail!

[packnrat]

12:30 AM walking on Mira Mar Avenue? I'm willing to bet that we will find that alcohol was involved.

as in the shooter or the one in the hospital???

from what little was in the posting
arrived on scene and one officer shot the man walking down the street... sounds fishy to me.

other officers did not even pull there guns out of there holsters?

could this be another (sic) case of one cop having sex with another cops wife?

hay here is a good headline for the masshype papers.
"cop shoots another cop for having sex with his gay lover"...might even make it onto the tv.

no need to let any facts get in the way of a juicy headline.





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[mrjones98]

As far as departments regulating off duty firearm possession and alcohol consumption, I don't think they have the authority. I know they can't regulate off duty carry (open or concealed). And alcohol consumption being a legal activity, I doubt a dept. could regulate their off duty officers in this regard. It would be a matter for the legislature only IMO. Some depts. may have a policy but it may be unenforcable.

Can't they regulate indirectly, for example, through liability insurance? Border Patrol only 'lets' you carry your duty weapon off-duty. If you carry any other weapon, which is legal, you're no longer covered by their insurance. I guess that's not really regulating but strongly suggesting...

[Equalizer2]

I just heard on KFI, that Geggie was carrying a Shotgun and refused to put it down.

[BigKevLA]

Diversity is not always a good thing then ?

How is diversity equal to loosened standards???????WTF

[Gator Monroe]

How is diversity equal to loosened standards???????WTF

Ask the Border Patrol & Homeland Security ??????WTF

[Equalizer2]

Long Beach police who shot off-duty LAPD officer were investigating possibly drunk man with a large gun
By Tracy Manzer and Kelly Puente, Staff writers
Article Launched: 07/30/2008 1230 PM PDT

LONG BEACH - As police prepared to serve a search warrant at the Belmont Heights home of an LAPD officer shot by Long Beach police early Wednesday, sources within the department revealed more details about the incident.

Long Beach officers were called to the Belmont Heights area at about 12:30 a.m. after residents reported seeing a man with a gun who looked drunk and was stumbling down the street, sources said.

The gun was described as a large shotgun or a pellet gun with a light on the end of it. It wasn't clear if the light was a laser site or a flashlight, officers said.

When responding units arrived, they saw Jason Geggie, a 26-year-old LAPD officer, who matched the suspect description and appeared drunk and was stumbling, sources told the Press-Telegram.

The shooting, they said, happened within a matter of seconds of the officer's arrival and the gun was recovered.

The Los Angeles Police Department confirmed Wednesday morning that Geggie was shot in the arm and torso and was in stable condition at a nearby hospital.

Geggie was booked on charges of exhibiting a firearm in the presence of a police officer in a threatening manner and exhibiting a firearm at any person in a threatening manner, police said.

Residents in the area of Termino Avenue and Fourth Street called police late Tuesday night with reports of an armed man walking down the street, said Long Beach Police Sgt. Dina Zapalski.

Police

located Geggie in the 200 block of Mira Mar Avenue, where an officer-involved shooting occurred at 12:30 a.m.

A firearm was recovered at the scene, she said. No Long Beach officers were injured.

Authorities have not released details of the shooting and could not say if Geggie lived in that area.

But sources within the department confirmed he lives in Belmont Heights and that friends of his told investigators he had been drinking heavily when he wandered off before the shooting.

Several neighbors said they heard two gunshots. Shortly before the shooting, a police helicopter was scouring the area with its searchlight for several minutes, they said.

Lisa Sage was barbecuing with her boyfriend, Mikey Loza, at her apartment one block south of the shooting when they saw the helicopter and then heard the gunfire that they at first mistook for fireworks, the couple said.

Sage said the area can be noisy at night because of patrons at nearby bars, but that she had never seen an incident like this in her three years in the neighborhood.

"It creeps me out, big time," Sage said.

As many as 10 police units appeared to have responded to the scene initially, followed by police investigators and other officers who closed the 200 block of Mira Mar Avenue, as well as parts of Second Street and Broadway.

Long Beach Police, with LAPD present, were preparing to serve a search warrant at Geggie's home, sources said.

In addition to the Long Beach Police Department's ongoing investigation, the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office is conducting an independent investigation, which is routine for all officer-involved shootings in Los Angeles County.

Anyone with information regarding this incident is urged to contact Long Beach Police Homicide Detectives at (562) 570-7244.

tracy.manzer@presstelegram.com, 562-499-1261.

[Gator Monroe]

Thank god he had not shot his Wife,Kids,Girlfriend ,Wifes Girlfriend ,Wifes Boyfriend, Guy next door ,Guy next doors dog,... with that shotgun !

[Vectrexer]

Poor LEO.
Poor Kali.
Poor 2A.
Poor public.

Time for clearing out the brainwashing related to the above and return to the responsibility for ones own self that allows people and mechanical devices (firearms) to live in proximity without the fearful and uneducated quivering in their shoes at the simple sight of a mechanical device.