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  • #16
    SanPedroShooter
    Calguns Addict
    • Jan 2010
    • 9732

    I know a lot of off road guys that definitely on the same wave length.

    A lot of our interests are shared. Besides, their turn will come up eventually. If they think its bad now, all they need to do is look at guns.

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    • #17
      anthonyca
      Calguns Addict
      • May 2008
      • 6316

      Originally posted by valley82
      As an off roader, shooter and mechanical contractor (all three being attacked by the democrats/CARB/EPA) I am in, and many, many of the people in my industry would jump at the chance to lessen their power strangle hold of this state.
      I am in those same groups, all three.

      We just need to find that one issue that will make different groups get off their rear. I am not trying to change anyone or argue, just tell them that we have the same common goal, firing the same politician. If we all get involved, they will fall. We may not agree 100% with who gets in but at least we will know they will be better than what is there now and in the future if we continue this path.
      https://www.facebook.com/pages/Union...70812799700206

      Originally posted by Wherryj
      I am a physician. I am held to being "the expert" in medicine. I can't fall back on feigned ignorance and the statement that the patient should have known better than I. When an officer "can't be expected to know the entire penal code", but a citizen is held to "ignorance is no excuse", this is equivalent to ME being able to sue my patient for my own malpractice-after all, the patient should have known better, right?

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      • #18
        anthonyca
        Calguns Addict
        • May 2008
        • 6316

        Originally posted by SanPedroShooter
        I know a lot of off road guys that definitely on the same wave length.

        A lot of our interests are shared. Besides, their turn will come up eventually. If they think its bad now, all they need to do is look at guns.
        Some of the guys above posted about groups I didn't even think about. Gamers and airsofters. There are MANY more.

        Please post examples if you have them.
        https://www.facebook.com/pages/Union...70812799700206

        Originally posted by Wherryj
        I am a physician. I am held to being "the expert" in medicine. I can't fall back on feigned ignorance and the statement that the patient should have known better than I. When an officer "can't be expected to know the entire penal code", but a citizen is held to "ignorance is no excuse", this is equivalent to ME being able to sue my patient for my own malpractice-after all, the patient should have known better, right?

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        • #19
          Peter.Steele
          Calguns Addict
          • Oct 2010
          • 7351

          Originally posted by anthonyca
          There is a reason the second part of the title is "working together to oust these &$*(%.

          I would also rather listen to Chinese proverbs, ancient warriors and great generals and leaders than some cartoonist.

          My point is; even though we disagree about this little trivial issue, we both agree that we would like to get most of the same politicians out.




          The source of the statement doesn't make it any more or any less true, whether it's Sun Tzu, Lao Tse, or Howard Tayler.

          How many coalitions have proven to have long-term stability once the single common thread that brought the disparate parties together vanished? In 1945, the US and the USSR were allies; in 1946 they were enemies. As soon as Alexander the Great died, look what happened to his empire. Further examples abound.

          If you want your coalition to actually hold together, then you'd best find something other than a common enemy to build it upon, because once that common thread is snipped, the whole damn thing will come apart.
          NRA Life Member

          No posts of mine on Calguns are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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          • #20
            CAL.BAR
            CGSSA OC Chapter Leader
            • Nov 2007
            • 5632

            Originally posted by Peter.Steele
            The source of the statement doesn't make it any more or any less true, whether it's Sun Tzu, Lao Tse, or Howard Tayler.

            How many coalitions have proven to have long-term stability once the single common thread that brought the disparate parties together vanished? In 1945, the US and the USSR were allies; in 1946 they were enemies. As soon as Alexander the Great died, look what happened to his empire. Further examples abound.

            If you want your coalition to actually hold together, then you'd best find something other than a common enemy to build it upon, because once that common thread is snipped, the whole damn thing will come apart.
            Perhaps, but next year is another legislative year and you better believe there will be more anti-gun measures on it. And the year after that.........

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            • #21
              anthonyca
              Calguns Addict
              • May 2008
              • 6316

              Originally posted by Peter.Steele
              The source of the statement doesn't make it any more or any less true, whether it's Sun Tzu, Lao Tse, or Howard Tayler.

              How many coalitions have proven to have long-term stability once the single common thread that brought the disparate parties together vanished? In 1945, the US and the USSR were allies; in 1946 they were enemies. As soon as Alexander the Great died, look what happened to his empire. Further examples abound.

              If you want your coalition to actually hold together, then you'd best find something other than a common enemy to build it upon, because once that common thread is snipped, the whole damn thing will come apart.
              OK, let's just stick to what we have. The Russians were terrible for their own people but the Nazis would have been a heck of a lot worse for us and many others.

              Your avatar is PERFECT for you.
              https://www.facebook.com/pages/Union...70812799700206

              Originally posted by Wherryj
              I am a physician. I am held to being "the expert" in medicine. I can't fall back on feigned ignorance and the statement that the patient should have known better than I. When an officer "can't be expected to know the entire penal code", but a citizen is held to "ignorance is no excuse", this is equivalent to ME being able to sue my patient for my own malpractice-after all, the patient should have known better, right?

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              • #22
                anthonyca
                Calguns Addict
                • May 2008
                • 6316

                Originally posted by CAL.BAR
                Perhaps, but next year is another legislative year and you better believe there will be more anti-gun measures on it. And the year after that.........
                Exactly. I would rather take my chances with who we get than with who we have.
                https://www.facebook.com/pages/Union...70812799700206

                Originally posted by Wherryj
                I am a physician. I am held to being "the expert" in medicine. I can't fall back on feigned ignorance and the statement that the patient should have known better than I. When an officer "can't be expected to know the entire penal code", but a citizen is held to "ignorance is no excuse", this is equivalent to ME being able to sue my patient for my own malpractice-after all, the patient should have known better, right?

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                • #23
                  Peter.Steele
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Oct 2010
                  • 7351

                  Originally posted by anthonyca
                  OK, let's just stick to what we have. The Russians were terrible for their own people but the Nazis would have been a heck of a lot worse for us and many others.

                  Your avatar is PERFECT for you.

                  Yes, I know it's perfect. That's why I chose it.

                  My point, though - you're missing it. I'm not saying don't do it because it's doomed to failure. I'm saying try and find more common ground than simply a common enemy. Common enemies are all well and good as a starting point, but that's not going to be any sort of a long-term alliance, once the common enemy is defeated.
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                  No posts of mine on Calguns are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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                  • #24
                    Paul S
                    Senior Member
                    • Jun 2010
                    • 1847

                    Originally posted by CAL.BAR
                    Hey, here's an idea, lets get all the GUN OWNERS and GUN OWNERS GROUPS pulling in the same direction before we drag others in. You realize that we still don't have CGN, CGF CGSSA NRA etc. etc. all working together?
                    We all have to have a dream don't we.

                    What you say is quite true and I'm not trying to be snarky...but you know what they say...when pigs fly.

                    Sometimes folks just can't look beyond their own self-interests..aka turf wars.
                    Lt. Col. Dave Grossman

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                    • #25
                      pastureofmuppets
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2013
                      • 1805

                      Originally posted by Wallabing
                      Video gamers really hate Yee.
                      They We also tend not to be fans of the NRA using video games as one of the reasons for "gun" violence. It would need to be a little more grass roots.

                      Reddit is somewhere to look at, Redditors tend to be switched on as a whole and from all over the political spectrum. /r/guns



                      Originally posted by speedrrracer
                      The group you want to form already exists -- it's called the Libertarian Party. You sound like an ideal member; might be something to consider
                      Are you ready for "it's the libertarians fault and only the GOP can save us" post coming up?
                      Last edited by pastureofmuppets; 09-14-2013, 11:47 PM.
                      Host of the FAST OC podcast.

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                      • #26
                        motorhead
                        Veteran Member
                        • Jan 2008
                        • 3409

                        i like it. it only has to last for the duration of the mission, i.e. ousting liberal democrats. any bonds forged during the process would just be added benefits.
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                        • #27
                          Scratch705
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • May 2009
                          • 12520

                          you assume there aren't anti-gunners in each of these outside groups?

                          i know of airsofters that wouldn't care if real guns got banned as long as they keep theirs, and some gamers that don't care if anything outside video games are banned.
                          Originally posted by leelaw
                          Because -ohmigosh- they can add their opinions, too?
                          Originally posted by SoCalSig1911
                          Preppers canceled my order this afternoon because I called them a disgrace... Not ordering from those clowns again.
                          Originally posted by PrepperGunShop
                          Truthfully, we cancelled your order because of your lack of civility and your threats ... What is a problem is when you threaten my customer service team and make demands instead of being civil. Plain and simple just don't be an a**hole (where you told us to shove it).

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                          • #28
                            pastureofmuppets
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2013
                            • 1805

                            Originally posted by Scratch705
                            you assume there aren't anti-gunners in each of these outside groups?

                            i know of airsofters that wouldn't care if real guns got banned as long as they keep theirs, and some gamers that don't care if anything outside video games are banned.
                            Don't assume that there aren't people that care about the second in the list of civil rights.
                            Last edited by pastureofmuppets; 09-19-2013, 12:30 AM. Reason: Grammer
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                            • #29
                              00Medic
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2011
                              • 1941

                              Originally posted by motorhead
                              i like it. it only has to last for the duration of the mission, i.e. ousting liberal democrats. any bonds forged during the process would just be added benefits.
                              I agree. This only has to last as long as it takes to out the scum currently sitting in office. It's not about creating a new political party or trying to get everyone on board to one existing party. It's about all coming together for ONE short term goal. Come together, en mass, and complete the mission. If bonds are created afterward, great. If not, meh.

                              I like the idea. Can it be done is the question.
                              Originally posted by TeddyBallgame
                              I've never understood why any of our Constitutional rights are governed by the very institution they were put in place to protect us from.
                              Originally posted by POLICESTATE
                              It is not wise to create criminals where none exist. Especially when those newly-minted criminals may or may not be heavily armed with guns you know nothing about.

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                              • #30
                                njineermike
                                Calguns Addict
                                • Dec 2010
                                • 9784

                                Originally posted by Peter.Steele
                                Yes, I know it's perfect. That's why I chose it.

                                My point, though - you're missing it. I'm not saying don't do it because it's doomed to failure. I'm saying try and find more common ground than simply a common enemy. Common enemies are all well and good as a starting point, but that's not going to be any sort of a long-term alliance, once the common enemy is defeated.
                                That's fine. There will be more enemies. Of that here is no shortage, but refusing to fight the enemy we all have now because we may fight each other later over a different issue is diminishing the relative force that can be used on THIS enemy.
                                Originally posted by Kestryll
                                Dude went full CNN...
                                Peace, love, and heavy weapons. Sometimes you have to be insistent." - David Lee Roth

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