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  • WyattandDoc
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2013
    • 767

    If it's bad for cops it's REALLY bad to civilians

    This was just forwarded to me. I post this to show how scary this is getting. Cops have generally been sheltered from the madness. Until now. When Sacramento starts attacking cops (Who are ultimately civilians), you can be sure EVERYONES 2nd Amendment rights will be trampled on.

    California State Bill 396 - All retirees could become criminals. I checked and SB 396 has been sent to the floor. The bill needs to be amended or defeated which is why I am sending this to those who can spread the word about this bill and its ramifications.



    California State Bill 396 - All retirees could become criminals

    Here is the short story: The old Penal Code section regarding the prohibition on high capacity magazines (over 10 rounds) prohibited the selling, importing, exporting, loaning, transferring, manufacturing magazines. It was intentionally silent on "possession" of high capacity magazines. This was because of concerns related to seizing property without compensation. Additionally, an exception was carved out for peace officers to possess/buy high capacity magazines for the weapons they own and/or are issued. The exception for peace officers covered them into retirement as long as they possessed the magazines before retirement. That is why peace officers purchasing their duty weapon at retirement got their magazines. Most peace officers are aware of this and purchase additional magazines for the weapons they own.

    SB 396 changes all of that. This Bill outlaws the possession of all high capacity magazines regardless of the date they were acquired, unless you are a full time working peace officer in this state under the authority of restricted 830.1 and .2 sections. The Bill also defines a high capacity magazine to be a magazine where the body has the ability to accept more than 10 rounds, even if it has been modified to only hold 10 rounds. It is believed that this definition was included in the Bill to prohibit an individual from obtaining a magazine of sufficient length to lock into a semi auto pistol of the size used by most people. In simple terms, outlaw the magazine = the pistol cannot function.

    An attempt to write in an exemption for retired law enforcement met with failure as there is an AG's opinion (the last one Brown opined before becoming Governor) that a retired peace officer is simply that. Under the 14th amendment (equal protection clause), a retired peace officer is strictly prohibited from getting a benefit not available to an ordinary citizen (which they are).

    So what this means, is if SB 396 becomes law, all retires become criminals if they have possession of any high capacity magazines, or if they have possession of any 10 round magazines that were made from a high capacity magazine, or if the magazine body is of sufficient length to hold over 10 rounds (i.e. can you lay the magazine on its side and line up more than 10 rounds double stacked).

    Now the really bad part, it seems that LAPPL, CAHP, ALADS etc. were asleep at the switch on this specific Bill and are trying to play catch-up. I am being told it is probably too late, but if a large number of retirees and current peace officers contact their legislators in the next few days, we may have a chance. The Bill passed through the Public Safety Committee last week and is now on the Floor.

    There are other legal ramifications under this Bill if a retired officer is caught with a magazine. They range from mandatory removal of your CCW to loss of pension benefits (if covered by PERS).

    Everyone should read the text of SB 396. (http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...201320140SB396).

    To speak out and contact your State Representative, please see: http://assembly.ca.gov/assemblymembers
    Last edited by WyattandDoc; 09-12-2013, 11:33 PM.
    Knives don't stab people, cars don't drive drunk, eating utensils don't make you fat and pencils don't mis-spell words.
  • #2
    infringed711
    Banned
    • Jun 2012
    • 2805

    I don't see why retirees should be exempt when my rights are trampled on. That being said I'm still gonna fight the bill but they are not special and it's time they are reminded of that

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    • #3
      Ronin2
      Banned
      • Jan 2011
      • 5563

      Originally posted by infringed711
      I don't see why retirees should be exempt when my rights are trampled on.

      I agree...the California LEO community has abandoned the RKBA /2nd amendment becuase they always were a "special class" and thought they were above it... well they arent and it is about time that they begin to pay the price for all thier apathy and selling the rest of us down the river.

      In fact, without the endosements and campaign contributions of LOE unions statewide, all these weak on crime/pro felon democrats would never get elected or reelcted. The CA LEO community has selfishly voted their wallets and not the constitution.
      Last edited by Ronin2; 09-11-2013, 9:02 PM.

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      • #4
        kygen
        Veteran Member
        • Jun 2012
        • 3259

        retired cops are people too. they have to put up with the same crap we do.

        fight this till the end
        Originally posted by thrillhouse700
        I have to wait until all the info is in before I make a statement. Obviously the family dogs had it coming.... other than that, waiting on more info.

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        • #5
          WyattandDoc
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2013
          • 767

          Relax

          The reason why I posted this was to show we are the same as eveyone else. But reality is (was) we are/were capacity exempt. For them to change that shows how phychotic things are getting. I'm very serious about not being treated differently just cause I chose a certain profession, so knock the chips off your shoulders, we're all in this together.
          Knives don't stab people, cars don't drive drunk, eating utensils don't make you fat and pencils don't mis-spell words.

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          • #6
            infringed711
            Banned
            • Jun 2012
            • 2805

            Originally posted by WyattandDoc
            The reason why I posted this was to show we are the same as eveyone else. But reality is (was) we are/were capacity exempt. For them to change that shows how phychotic things are getting. I'm very serious about not being treated differently just cause I chose a certain profession, so knock the chips off your shoulders, we're all in this together.
            We are in this together and I am glad you get that. I will continue calling and trying to get these killed. It is especially inportant that we all stand together right now. As for us having chips on our shoulders, you have to realize that just because you get it doesn't mean all LE does

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            • #7
              infringed711
              Banned
              • Jun 2012
              • 2805

              Sorry been in OT too much fighting with LE lately, thank you for standing with us and know that it is appreciated

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              • #8
                nastyhabts26
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2011
                • 2103

                This just shows that we all need to pull together.
                We can not sit aside just because we dont think this will affect us. Our politicians dont give a rats patootie what we want or need, they are just looking to make their mark on the world and keep us in line.
                When the 2nd falls which is the next to fall, the 4th and sooner or later the 1st we will no longer be able to rant here in public.

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                • #9
                  hadjin
                  Member
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 390

                  Originally posted by Ronin2
                  I agree...the California LEO community has abandoned the RKBA /2nd amendment becuase they always were a "special class" and thought they were above it... well they arent and it is about time that they begin to pay the price for all thier apathy and selling the rest of us down the river.
                  THIS

                  And you can bet your last round, if the legislature and DOJ can carve out some kind of twisted exception or special exempt status for retired LEOs, the LEO unions/organizations will take it, and loudly support firearms restrictions on the rest of Joe Q Public.... in the interest of public safety; of course..
                  Last edited by hadjin; 09-11-2013, 9:39 PM.

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                  • #10
                    cleonard
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2011
                    • 958

                    The thing that really irritates me is that Steve Strull seems to only be concerned about retired law enforcement. There is zero concern about the citizens of this state. Just goes to reenforce the perception that LE divides the world into two parts. Cops and felons.

                    While I can sort of understand the need of LEO and high capacity magazines, I have a hard time understanding why anyone can use and buy new "unsafe" handguns. Heck if they are unsafe then they are at far greater risk since they carry them all the time.

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                    • #11
                      1recluse
                      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Sep 2010
                      • 419

                      Deleted!

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                      • #12
                        speedrrracer
                        Veteran Member
                        • Dec 2011
                        • 3355

                        Anyone who thinks the cops aren't putting themselves out there might wanna read this, by Massad Ayoob:

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                        • #13
                          1recluse
                          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                          CGN Contributor
                          • Sep 2010
                          • 419

                          Originally posted by hadjin
                          THIS

                          And you can bet your last round, if the legislature and DOJ can carve out some kind of twisted exception or special exempt status for retired LEOs, the LEO unions/organizations will take it, and loudly support firearms restrictions on the rest of Joe Q Public.... in the interest of public safety; of course..
                          THIS


                          I am not a basher of Policeman, I know their job is unthankful and a risk everyday. But so are many jobs that don't get special protection's only because they don't have a Lobby/Union that will scream bloody murder if their rank and file are lumped in with the unwashed!! I appreciate all the LEO's service but your not a protected class in my eyes.
                          Last edited by 1recluse; 09-11-2013, 9:43 PM.

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                          • #14
                            SigP510
                            Member
                            • Oct 2010
                            • 301

                            Be-oh-oh, h-oh-oh

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                            • #15
                              jmdove
                              Member
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 114

                              Originally posted by infringed711
                              I don't see why retirees should be exempt when my rights are trampled on. That being said I'm still gonna fight the bill but they are not special and it's time they are reminded of that
                              Exactly!

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