Retaking California

[sl0re10]

What the republican party needs to do is shut the hell up. How many times in the last 6 years have they came out and said some real stupid stuff that caused them to shoot themselves in their own foots. They need to learn that no matter if they are behind closed super secret doors, that the need to watch what they say. And if they could stop attacking each other in the primaries, that would help a ton as well.

Sorry, but the republican party has been their own worst enemy for the last 6 or so years by the statements they have made. Plus the fact of bringing horrible choices for election. Seriously, McCain? Mitt? And in California Meg. Those were all jokes, they need to bring someone on substance.

A: your right but the examples that come to mind, for me at least, are some Federal house of rep candidate... in another state... saying something stupid and the media playing it up as if it represents the whole party. The reverse, of course, is never done.

B: yes; the candidates are terrible. I think step one is picking districts with margins a republican could win and step two is finding candidates in the districts that are not idiots.

[dwightlooi]

As a scientist I have a problem with this. I think Dems use "scientific" language but no, they absolutely do not use, or even understand science. In science you design an experiment, yes you may have an idea of the outcome (your hypothesis) but you accept whatever the results may be. Democrat's policy making is just the opposite. They want to control the outcome no matter what the experiment leads to... generally by spending your money but sometimes merely by distorting the truth. See hunting, lead-ammo ban.

The best way I can put it that Science is NOT a belief system. It is an investigative enterprise founded on phenomenal observations and proofs.

However, that is completely irrelevant to the popular conception that many people hold that Republicans are religious, democrats are scientific. For most people, if they hear in school that there's Global Warming, they hear on TV that there's Global Warming, the Government is passing laws to reduce carbon emissions to combat global warming and people who champion carbon credits win the nobel prize. Then, there must be global warming and it must be caused by androgynous carbon emissions. It's a very simple logic and it one which gets you a lot of believers, never mind all the fallacies that's built into this line of reasoning.

[maddoggie13]

We have better luck with the san andreas fault cutting CA into two states.

[dwightlooi]

On a National Stage I have always advocated a clear, unambiguous platform of fiscal responsibility, downsizing of government and market driven economics. I also believe that you cannot run on a 50 point plan. Anything more than 3 points and the public loses attention. If I have to pick three, I'll pick the following:-

• Create a competitive healthcare market and lower healthcare costs by eliminating the 3rd party payer system in regular healthcare activities by 2020.
• Reduce the size of the Federal government and its budget by 20% by 2030
• Achieve a 40% reduction in fuel and energy prices through domestic exploration and extraction by 2025

Notice that I didn't put gay marriage or abortion or immigration or 2nd amendment on there. It's not that I don't have positions on these, but simply that the ship is headed straight for an iceberg, the captain is nowhere to be found and saving the ship is a more immediate concern than if gays are having a wedding on board, if the ship's doctor is in the middle of an abortion procedure, if there are stowaways in the lower decks or if some passengers have guns in their luggage.

[CCWFacts]

too many minorities in California; they'll always go Dem because that's where the goodies are. One guy at work voted for Obama because he wants his 6 year old son to go to college for free. They love that free health care too.

This.

No one has found a way to get minorities to vote Republican. The Republicans are never going to be able to out-bid the Democrats for those voters. Those voters rightly perceive that Republicans are protecting the interests of the guys who pay for all the stuff (white taxpayers), and are not going to offer more free stuff. Duh.

There is simply nothing the Republican party can do to win back California. Stance on social issues (gay rights or whatever) means nothing. Does anyone seriously believe that the average Mexican voter will start voting Republican because they soften their stance on gay marriage or abortion? No! The average Mexican voter is hoping for free stuff, paid for by white Republican taxpayers!

You might as well talk about how Republicans can start winning in Puerto Rico.

[sl0re10]

This.

No one has found a way to get minorities to vote Republican. The Republicans are never going to be able to out-bid the Democrats for those voters. Those voters rightly perceive that Republicans are protecting the interests of the guys who pay for all the stuff (white taxpayers), and are not going to offer more free stuff. Duh.

There is simply nothing the Republican party can do to win back California. Stance on social issues (gay rights or whatever) means nothing. Does anyone seriously believe that the average Mexican voter will start voting Republican because they soften their stance on gay marriage or abortion? No! The average Mexican voter is hoping for free stuff, paid for by white Republican taxpayers!

You might as well talk about how Republicans can start winning in Puerto Rico.

I've got a few ideas on that if we ever get serious.

I still think identifying target districts and good candidates come before the campaign strategy though.

[dwightlooi]

This.

No one has found a way to get minorities to vote Republican. The Republicans are never going to be able to out-bid the Democrats for those voters. Those voters rightly perceive that Republicans are protecting the interests of the guys who pay for all the stuff (white taxpayers), and are not going to offer more free stuff. Duh.

There is simply nothing the Republican party can do to win back California. Stance on social issues (gay rights or whatever) means nothing. Does anyone seriously believe that the average Mexican voter will start voting Republican because they soften their stance on gay marriage or abortion? No! The average Mexican voter is hoping for free stuff, paid for by white Republican taxpayers!

You might as well talk about how Republicans can start winning in Puerto Rico.

I don't think that is true. Minorities don't automatically fall into the category of I want free stuff from the government or the rich are bad let's take their money, or believe in a high taxes + high services, (aka Socialist) country or state.

In fact, the reverse is true with many communities and individuals. Since I am Asian, I'll speak from an Asian perspective...

Asians by and large work harder, take school more seriously and save more money than the average American. This is not my opinion, this is statistical fact.

• Asians HATE affirmative action -- the UC system for instance limits Asian enrollment because they are OVER REPRESENTED in the student population. With the same high school grades and SAT scores you are less likely to be admited to UC Berkeley if you are Chinese vs if you are black, Latino or White. Asians want to be allowed to compete on merit not the color of their skin.
• Asians don't generally like high taxes and loath the inheritance tax. When you stay in school all the way through a masters degree and make a good paycheck, you don't like the fact that you are working 5 months a year to pay your taxes while Anchor Baby moms get a few thousand dollars a month in welfare through their childern. When you live a frugal life and save every penny to buy a home or build wealth to pass on to your children, you don't like the Government taking 20% of that when you die.
• Asians by and large DO NOT support illegal immigration. You don't walk across the pacific from China or India to come to the US. Most Asian immigrants get here via a work Visa or applied through relatives. Most waited 7~12 years. Amnesty is a big slap on the face of Legal immigrants who played by the rules and waited out of country to pursue the American Dream.
• Asians think ultra liberal policies like allowing boys in girls locker rooms and toilets because they claim to identify with the other sex, is outrageous and ridiculous.
• Asians -- especially the older generation in their 40s or older who came from China saw the distinction between the poverty of Communism/Socialsm and the vibrance of a Market Economy. Most have no affinity for socialism.
• You'll be had pressed to find an Asian who thinks that unrestrained government spending or an exploding debt is not an issue of serious concern. It's like boasting about tens of thousands of dollars in your credit card accounts to a miser or a frugal family man, who had accumulated 300,000 in his savings account and never carried a credit card balance in his life, and trying to convince him that it's all cool.
• Asians, unfortunately, are less likely to be 2nd Amendment advocates because many grew up in societies where guns are highly illegal and never really had a gun culture. But, Asians aren't stupid either and don't subscribe to the rationale that if you ban guns or magazines in CA but they are freely everywhere else in the USA, the bad guys won't have them. So, Asian overwhelmingly do not fall into the category of single issue anti-gun voter either.

Why do they vote Democratic? First of all, Asians are also one of the least politically active groups and one of the least politically "interested" groups. There are many reasons for that. The focus on financial success is one thing. Then there is the fact that when you are brought up in an environment where political dissent and involvement is as pointless as it is forbidden, you have a culture that leans towards the believe that you can't make a political difference and that instead of trying (in vain) to change to rules, you should just play by them in the most effective manner possible. Just try to become wealthy and try to become highly educated. Your life won't be bad if you do that. Hey, if you are in the People's Republic of China, or Vietnam, or Singapore, or any one of those places, that's how you succeed in life instead of disappear into a prison cell some place. Many Asians don't vote. They don't pay attention to politics. They pay attention to their stock values, to getting next A in school or qualifying for the next scholarship, or finding extra hours to work at a restaurant so they can make more money, or looking for homes to buy.

When you don't pay attention to politics it is all to easy to fall for... "We are the Democrats. We are for the minorities and civil rights. They are the racists and they like war. Here register as a Democrat and vote for us. Most Asians do, you should too!"

[CCWFacts]

I believe that the Republican party could and should be able to win Asian voters, because, obviously, Asians have a lower rate of welfare and government dependence than whites do and Asians are devastated by affirmative action policies. It is puzzling why Asians vote Democratic at all. I have a few theories, but I don't know if that discussion belongs in this thread.

But Hispanics and blacks are very different from Asians. NAMs (non-Asian minorities) are heavily government dependent, and are solidly reliant on affirmative action and that doesn't appear to change despite any and all types of interventions, and they vote for more free stuff. This is unalterable. Hispanics will soon be a majority in California and how can the Republican party, which emphasizes low taxes, ever win their votes? It can't. People who live off the taxpayer will never want lower taxes.

[TakCWAL]

I really don't think we should use the last presidential election as the basis of Asian voting trends. It also depends 'which' Asian groups. Unlike most minority groups in the US, Asians generally do not appreciate being lumped together in one category. If you think the tension between Dems and Reps is terrible... heh...

Though I have to admit, one of the biggest problem however, is that most first generation Asian Americans do not vote, period. They don't know, don't care and can't be bothered with political issues. They pretty much just want to be left alone, despite massively disagreeing with certain agendas the Dems are pushing. Ie. Affirmative action, higher taxes, welfare, government overreach... etc.

But when it comes to 2A rights? I am not so sure if they are as lukewarm about it as other political issues. Many consider 2A rights to be a very enjoyable new-found freedom. But getting them to vote for 2A rights is another issue...

For the rest of yall going to SAT school on the weekends? I say ditch one day, and go shootin'. Its good for ya.

[CZ man in LA]

Asians are also one of the least politically active groups and one of the least politically "interested" groups....They are the racists and they like war. Here register as a Democrat and vote for us. Most Asians do, you should too!"[/B][/I]

Historically, Asian-Americans did vote Republican:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/02/26/why-asian-americans-have-turned-their-backs-on-the-republican-party.html

And it also depends on how many generations you are as an Asian-American. Yes, 1st generation/2nd generation thinks that way politically.

When you get down to 3rd/4th and beyond generation Asian-Americans (descendants of the Asians who came here in the 19th century like myself), they are very Americanized and take politics very seriously.

In fact, a lot of Japanese-Americans and Chinese-Americans of 3rd/4th generation descent, those that came here during the "Yellow Peril" years of the 1860s-1900s, are very Republican in their stance and have been staunchly Republican for years.

It's the more recent Asian-American immigrants (Vietnamese-Americans from the 1970s, Korean-American immigrants from the 1980s, Indians and Filipinos from the 1990s) that have yet to establish a firm ground here, most likely are not even citizens yet and their children are influenced heavily by their 1st gen parents as 1.5 or 2nd generation, who are not responsive to politics.

It is puzzling why Asians vote Democratic at all. I have a few theories, but I don't know if that discussion belongs in this thread.

The Daily Beast article hits it dead on. The Republican Party of today is old, aging, with wild evangelical Christian ideas which doesn't fit well to majority of Asian ideals of science, technology, engineering, and math. To us Asians, going ape **** insane over abortion rights, creationism vs evolution, Praise Jesus, Praise the Lord, Hallelujah, and the religious cooks like the Westboro Baptist Church are looked as crazy by us. Why would any sane Asian vote for some religious nut jobs? That's how they see the Republican Party today. In sharp contrast, the Democratic Party puts more emphasis on those areas which resonate better with most Asian American voters.

[dustoff31]

The Daily Beast article hits it dead on. The Republican Party of today is old, aging, with wild evangelical Christian ideas which doesn't fit well to majority of Asian ideals of science, technology, engineering, and math. To us Asians, going ape **** insane over abortion rights, creationism vs evolution, Praise Jesus, Praise the Lord, Hallelujah, and the religious cooks like the Westboro Baptist Church are looked as crazy by us. Why would any sane Asian vote for some religious nut jobs? That's how they see the Republican Party today. In sharp contrast, the Democratic Party puts more emphasis on those areas which resonate better with most Asian American voters.

I think most people view people like the Westboro Bapitst Church as kooks. BTW, you know they or at least Fred Phelps, Sr., are democrats, right?

The Democratic tent includes the Rev. Fred Phelps Sr., the state's best known anti-gay advocate. Phelps is a registered Democrat who ran unsuccessfully for the party's gubernatorial nomination in 1990, 1994 and 1998 and for the U.S. Senate in 1992.

[ja308]

So we republicans should take the anti gun leftist rag which is partners with Newsweek and Vogue is a legitimate source for anything.

The Daily Beast article hits it dead on. The Republican Party of today is old, aging, with wild evangelical Christian ideas which doesn't fit well to majority of Asian ideals of science, technology, engineering, and math. To us Asians, going ape **** insane over abortion rights, creationism vs evolution, Praise Jesus, Praise the Lord, Hallelujah, and the religious cooks like the Westboro Baptist Church are looked as crazy by us. Why would any sane Asian vote for some religious nut jobs? That's how they see the Republican Party today. In sharp contrast, the Democratic Party puts more emphasis on those areas which resonate better with most Asian American voters.

Why would you as a supposed gun owner repeat what sworn enemies to the 2 nd amendment say?

[CZ man in LA]

Why would you as a supposed gun owner repeat what sworn enemies to the 2nd amendment say?

I'm a registered Libertarian and I vote center right. Last three elections, I voted for the Libertarian candidates over the usual GOP or Dem candidates.

But a vast majority of Asian-Americans, especially the current transplants, tend to vote for the party that isn't "religiously crazy" which as of today, tends to be the Dems over the GOP. If the GOP weren't aligned so closely with those evangelical Southern Baptists, then they would win over the Asian-American vote by a wide margin as economically, Asian-Americans have a lot more in common with the ideals of the GOP.

[ja308]

I'm a registered Libertarian and I vote center right. Last three elections, I voted for the Libertarian candidates over the usual GOP or Dem candidates.

But a vast majority of Asian-Americans, especially the current transplants, tend to vote for the party that isn't "religiously crazy" which as of today, tends to be the Dems over the GOP. If the GOP weren't aligned so closely with those evangelical Southern Baptists, then they would win over the Asian-American vote by a wide margin as economically, Asian-Americans have a lot more in common with the ideals of the GOP.

I didnt ask you how you voted . I asked why you selected an antigun democrat aligned source to attempt to prove a lie regarding the Republican Party .

The way we lose is by elevating sworn enemies to our cause and pretending what they say has some basis in reality. The article you posted is a democrat hit piece on republicans and a not so subtle attempt to demonize all people of faith .

Again I ask, why you as a gunowner would repeat such absolute garbage?

[Manolito]

I am not saying don't vote republican. What I am saying is find a candidate that has reasonable values and support them to remove the Feinsteins and Boxers in California. So what if it is a Democrat if it has decent ideas and a brain. There will be movement just as there has been movement through out our history.

Ask yourself how did a unheard of first year senator beat out one of the most powerful women in the party.

We need to be smart and move the controlling party to our way of thinking instead of beating a dead horse that will never be alive again.

I have voted Republican in every election since I became of age I am 66 this month and I have seen the democrats out think us and then we bought off on redistricting so you can't beat a democrat out of office nor a republican out of office. Some times I think we deserve what we have.

If you think there is a difference between the two parties I think you are wrong Look what a great job the Republican speaker of the house is doing makes you proud doesn't it?

Sorry must be waning moon or something.