Retaking California

[TheDigitalPicasso]

too many minorities in California; they'll always go Dem because that's where the goodies are. One guy at work voted for Obama because he wants his 6 year old son to go to college for free. They love that free health care too.

More and more all the time, not just Hispanics, but Eastern European, Indian, Persian, Asian, if any of them vote Republican they're traitors to their own people.

Very true!!! I'm Armenian and I can tell you that 90% of them vote dems for all the free stuff like section 8 and they all have side cash jobs so they won't have to report any earnings so they can take advantage of all these programs. I remember a few years back Vally Collage would give these so called "low income" students $4500 a semester for books and school supply's but these people would go just for the money and again they have cash paying aside jobs. Very sad but its the truth and these kind of people are stealing and taking our freedom away.

[SemperFi1775]

And yet people keep putting Reagan on a pedestal and considering him one of the greats. How easily people forget the true history of a person and what htey did to this state and our country.

no one is perfect, but compared to jimmy and most other modern white house occupants, he was better than most...

[ldsnet]

The only way to win, is the conservative group (Republican, Tea Party, Liberterian, Independent) need to be a single party. The current Republican party (nation wide) is in shambles. They have not put up a viable candidate in years. The splinters have formed due to the dis-satisfaction with the Republican party.

The sad reality is our system is built around a 2 party system. As long as the popular vote is split more than 2 parties, say goodbye to a minority party winning an election (and YES right now the Conservative group IS the minority). Too many people on the government entitlement package or voting strictly by race is helping the liberal agenda win elections.

As said in previous threads 2nd Amendment issues is not even in the top 5 issues in the Republican party.

[SemperFi1775]

Very true!!! I'm Armenian and I can tell you that 90% of them vote dems for all the free stuff like section 8 and they all have side cash jobs so they won't have to report any earnings so they can take advantage of all these programs. I remember a few years back Vally Collage would give these so called "low income" students $4500 a semester for books and school supply's but these people would go just for the money and again they have cash paying aside jobs. Very sad but its the truth and these kind of people are stealing and taking our freedom away.

i've heard some people are changing their names to hispanics or native american to get easier acceptance to uc/cal state colleges plus free tuition...

[TakCWAL]

It also matters how we sell the ideas of freedom. The Dems have it covered when it comes to marshaling the resources of liberal Hollywood and creative advertisement. Unfortunately, we are not very good on that front.

[ja308]

And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen. The true colors of an actual Republican.

Replace "Democrat" with "white man" and replace "Libertarian" with "negro"
and you can easily see the underlying mindset of the Republican does not change. It's all hate & warfare & intolerance & bigotry & discrimination against "them" -- the Republicans just change the labels every so often.

Yeah, good luck building a new Republican Party! With friends like this, you won't even need enemies!

Hahahaha spoken like a true libertarian! Because of my dislike of a party that borders on anarchy you come up with a label of racism ?

OMG Calgunners I rest my case against libertarians being easily led, misinformed and having beliefs that are based solely on fantasy !

The fact we have Clarence Thomas, Walter Williams, Dr Thomas Sowell, Alan Keys ,Condoleezea Rice and thousands of other brilliant folks of a different color prove one thing for sure!
Libertarians such as yourself are incapable of reading anything more profound that the Calgunns forum.

Each of the above have written books ! Many of them I bought and have read .
Try " My Grandfathers Son" by SC justice Clarence Thomas for a journey on how he overcame the most humble of beginnings !
It will also give libertarian Calgunners more reason to dislike Thomas as he was at one time studying to be a Catholic priest .
Oops sorry I forgot your a libertarian ! Please feel free to turn on the Television and get your facts straight from the horses mouth !

[TakCWAL]

You also have to keep in mind, Obama was the media's baby.

His coverage was obviously biased from the get-go. Its not like he didn't already have an unfair advantage.

You also cannot blame everything on the Democrats. Hardly, the Republicans had a difficult time selling their image, and some of them are just downright arrogant. Fortunately, we are finally seeing some changes.

[TakCWAL]

You also have to keep in mind, Obama was the media's baby.

His coverage was obviously biased from the get-go. Its not like he didn't already have an unfair advantage.

You also cannot blame everything on the Democrats. Hardly, the Republicans had a difficult time selling their image, and some of them are just downright arrogant. Fortunately, we are finally seeing some changes.

[jrock]

We need another great communicator...dr. carson, sen cruz, Reagan...
To focus on the areas liberals and conservatives agree on.

Jobs, irs, prism, career politicians, oboehnercare, scandal/cover ups, education, (back to skilled labor)-jobs!

[SemperFi1775]

I don't know specifically about California, but nationwide 60% of gun owners voted for Barack Obama. That's only a 20% swing advantage for Republicans, from GUN OWNERS!!!

I put Asians in there because there are so many recent immigrants here, Filipinos, etc. Of the groups I mentioned, they may be the ones most inclined to be Republican, but of the recent immigrants, how does that stack up? If Republicans get only a small advantage from gun owners in general, and Dems get 98% of the black vote, 90%+ of every other minority, and minorities comprise more and more of the electorate... if 80% of them voted for Obama, that makes them the most Republican minority.

Minorities come from places where you have to cheat to survive, and so when they come here they start cheating right off the bat. They work the system.

I think of the Republican Party in California like the guys at our gun club. The youngest is about 67, and they're getting fewer and fewer every year. They don't like new members, and that's going to accelerate until there are none left at all.

here're demographic data from 2012 presidential election:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012#Voter_demographics

more asians, as a percentage, voted for barack than hispanics...

and guess where the largest population of asians outside of asia is??

many Filipinos came to US via health care worker visas, which is a major benefactor of obamacare....

[ja308]

http://www.lp.org/issues/gun-laws

I am 100% aware of the libertarian blah blah blah garbage on 2a issues and other sound wonderful platforms and positions . Who can is disagree with borderline anarchy? Other than those 85 % who depend on govt at some level .

Since 1971 the libertarian party has been successful at achieving its true goal, of electing democrats .
It is party that is all things to all people and since their goal is to never get elected. They can continue to mock, belittle,denigrate our friends in the GOP and media.
You don't have to be stupid to identify as a libertarian, only cowardly in that you can avoid the labels we republicans are unfairly targeted with.

Many states are winning, we could have a chance if folks would support our friends in media and in govt. Instead we a plagued by this virus known as libertarians .

As a Marine I recall a boot camp tactic known as a blanket party, it was a motivating factor for SBirds to change their behavior .
Gunowners in states that are winning should develop some strategy to motivate libertarians to change behavior that lost California .

I suggest a blanket party

[sl0re10]

We need another great communicator...dr. carson, sen cruz, Reagan...
To focus on the areas liberals and conservatives agree on.

Jobs, irs, prism, career politicians, oboehnercare, scandal/cover ups, education, (back to skilled labor)-jobs!

And/or someone trained in the ways of the fud. Keep your mouth shut unless you've really thought about what your saying and double checked your 'facts' first. Because, if your a republican, everything you say (and indeed; even things you didn't really say) will be used against you.

[ChrisC]

We need another great communicator

What the republican party needs to do is shut the hell up. How many times in the last 6 years have they came out and said some real stupid stuff that caused them to shoot themselves in their own foots. They need to learn that no matter if they are behind closed super secret doors, that the need to watch what they say. And if they could stop attacking each other in the primaries, that would help a ton as well.

Sorry, but the republican party has been their own worst enemy for the last 6 or so years by the statements they have made. Plus the fact of bringing horrible choices for election. Seriously, McCain? Mitt? And in California Meg. Those were all jokes, they need to bring someone on substance.

[sholling]

I like the way you think and I agree with your conclusions .
Seems every stereotype is exactly the opposite.
It was FDR who used census data to intern loyal Japanese americans during WW2. How racist was that? No such policy was used against Germans!

Democratic Party in its platform appears to deny the ice age, by claiming humans cause global warming by burning fossil fuels .
But not all humans ! Obamas plane burns 5 gal per mile and reportedly burns 5000 gals just to take off. 10,000 mile trip uses 55,000 gal of jet fuel. But he believes you should drive a little crappy shoe box car. Just to make sure democrats will keep fuel prices as high as their legislation can accomplish.
Billionaire democrats private planes or Kerry's huge ship is no problem either

On and on every issue that effects the little guy democrats are on the wrong side .
Yet the propaganda against republicans is so complete and persuasive we have lost California and a few larger states.

The media and the public diseducation system keep the deep dark evil past (and present) of the Democratic Party a secret and always will. They will never mention that soda fountains were segregated by law rather than business policy and that those laws were passed and enforced by Democrats in good standing with their party. They will never report that Jim Crow and other Black Codes were a product of the Democratic Party and instead infer that Republicans were behind Jim Crow.

We need to blame easily led easily propagandized libertarians, A rated NRA Ken Cucchnelli will lose to f rated Terry ( the punk ) Mccaliff
Libertarians have 9% in that race for governor of Virginia .

As a certified intructor I would rather teach democrats for free than a paying libertarian !
A democrat can change his views if enough info is brought forward. Libertarians brains are so flushed with a religious fervor, they are immune to ever voting RKBA .

I hate to have to agree with you but you speak the truth. Many Hardcore Libertarians would rather lose every election and in so doing lose all of our remaining freedom than vote for a Republican. The hard cold fact is that it takes numbers to win elections, and victories at the polls before we can hope to restore freedom - yet they would rather lose every election than join with other groups to save whats left of our freedom. They always wave that fact away and point to imperfect Republicans and rather than fix the problem they continue to help Progressive Democrats get elected by drawing off conservative vote. Give it up because they won't change until it's far too late and we've become a single party Progressive dictatorship.

Would it be fair to say the majority of Californians are socially progressive and fiscally conservative as far as they pay attention to politics?

I don't think so. I think that most Californians are socially moderate and economically conservative but have been thoroughly BSed by the schools and the media into believing that the world will end if the green agenda isn't adopted, and teachers and firefighters don't make more money than corporate CEOs. In other words they are willing to sacrifice their freedoms for the safety of the children simply because the media have told them over and over and over, decade in and decade out again that it's necessary for their childrens' futures.

Frankly, the Democrats are winning a propaganda war on that front that the people that get it can ultimately only fight with pressure and ultimately in court.

It's easy to win the propaganda war when you control the news media, the entertainment media, and the schools. The media have drummed in the narrative that Republicans are mean and hate everyone, and that Democrats are warm and fuzzy and just want to help everyone - to the point that most Californians can't think outside that box. It's easy to blame Welfare recipients but they don't make up the majority - it's the middle and upper classes that keep the Democrats in power with their money and votes. Silicon Valley and Hollywood millionaires and Billionaires and well paid TV "news" and infotainment talking heads pushing the party line. Note that there is no media investigation into what did Democrat Filthy Filner's Democratic Party supporters know and when did they know it and why did they cover up his activities until after the election. The media would rather you didn't know that Filthy Filner was a Democrat politician in good standing with his party.

The only way to win, is the conservative group (Republican, Tea Party, Liberterian, Independent) need to be a single party. The current Republican party (nation wide) is in shambles. They have not put up a viable candidate in years. The splinters have formed due to the dis-satisfaction with the Republican party.

You are exactly right. The combined might of libertarians and the libertarian leaning TEA Party movement can and should turn the Republican Party around and together save the country, but hardcore Libertarians will never agree. They'd rather lose every battle than join hands and win back our freedom.

The sad reality is our system is built around a 2 party system. As long as the popular vote is split more than 2 parties, say goodbye to a minority party winning an election (and YES right now the Conservative group IS the minority).

Again you speak wisely, but their need to feel morally superior will never allow hardcore Libertarians to work with Republicans to save our rights.

As said in previous threads 2nd Amendment issues is not even in the top 5 issues in the Republican party.

It can be, it just requires growing the TEA Party's power within the party. If you want to win back rights it's critical that you get involved.

[sholling]

What the republican party needs to do is shut the hell up.

A few have said really stupid things but let's be real - the media blow any Republican's misstatements into a "war on women" while playing down the Democrat war on women and ongoing sexual harassment like Filner's. The media will find something, anything, to help get their team elected, and they will lie and cover up evil deeds to protect their candidates.

Sorry, but the republican party has been their own worst enemy for the last 6 or so years by the statements they have made. Plus the fact of bringing horrible choices for election. Seriously, McCain? Mitt? And in California Meg. Those were all jokes, they need to bring someone on substance.

Agreed, the Progressive wing of the party has been in control for far too long. If you want to fix the problem join with the TEA Party to drag the Republican Party back to being the small government party.