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  • #16
    halifax
    Veteran Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 4440

    Might it have something to do with his war experiences. I know several combat vets that gave up hunting and guns when they got home. That didn't mean they were against it, just chose to break with it for awhile.
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    • #17
      battleship
      Veteran Member
      • Jan 2008
      • 4934

      I dont think Baracks middle name has anything to do with him not to be trusted, or i wouldnt take any more cab rides. I think his words and actions do that just fine, the mans a lefty radical loony tune.

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      • #18
        Harrison_Bergeron
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2008
        • 1974

        Exactly which aspect of running what was once the most powerful nation in the world will that allow him to do better than the other candidates?

        Originally posted by RomanDad
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        Sonny, the man HUNG BY HIS ELBOWS FROM A CEILING BEAM for the better part of 7 years for this country. You may not like his policies, but respect his sacrifice or keep it to yourself.
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        • #19
          RomanDad
          Veteran Member
          • Apr 2008
          • 3478

          Originally posted by Harrison_Bergeron
          Exactly which aspect of running what was once the most powerful nation in the world will that allow him to do better than the other candidates?
          Its called CHARACTER. Its a quality MOST people nowadays LACK. And its the most important quality a LEADER NEEDS. Hes demonstrated it in SPADES.


          Originally posted by halifax
          Might it have something to do with his war experiences. I know several combat vets that gave up hunting and guns when they got home. That didn't mean they were against it, just chose to break with it for awhile.
          Might also have to do with the fact he cant lift his arms high enough to aim a gun at anything above his navel. Guys, his shoulders and neck are so injured he hasn't even been able to COMB HIS OWN HAIR since Vietnam.... You really think shooting is high on the list?
          Last edited by RomanDad; 05-31-2008, 12:03 AM.
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          • #20
            AngelDecoys
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2008
            • 2393

            Originally posted by Harrison_Bergeron
            Exactly which aspect of running what was once the most powerful nation in the world will that allow him to do better than the other candidates?
            Like him, or not. He's the only one of the three that has worked with the other side to get things accomplished. Moderates move the ball forward. McCain is attractive to many, especially the elderly who feel comfortable in (the idea of) him being President. Even Reagan and Clinton realized one must compromise to get things done.

            Hillery or Obama spells another 4 years of gridlock.

            BTW - I believe there was another candidate (Paul) who also is a strong 2nd supporter but has no firearms (Just a thought).
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            • #21
              Josh3239
              Calguns Addict
              • Dec 2006
              • 9189

              Some of you guys need to shut up and research it yourselves: http://ontheissues.org/John_McCain.htm#Gun_Control

              He looks to be fairly pro-2A, but does leave himself some wiggle room for the anti-2A. For example, he voted against the AWB and the Brady Bill but said he'd be open to an AWB. Another time he said he wanted the "gun show loophole" closed but voted against background checks at gun shows.

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              • #22
                Harrison_Bergeron
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2008
                • 1974

                If he were a Democrat that would make him indecisive, unwilling to take a stance on a hot button issue, but he's not so my guess is that it makes him open minded. Am I right?

                Originally posted by Josh3239
                Some of you guys need to shut up and research it yourselves: http://ontheissues.org/John_McCain.htm#Gun_Control

                He looks to be fairly pro-2A, but does leave himself some wiggle room for the anti-2A. For example, he voted against the AWB and the Brady Bill but said he'd be open to an AWB. Another time he said he wanted the "gun show loophole" closed but voted against background checks at gun shows.
                "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle

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                • #23
                  elSquid
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                  • Aug 2007
                  • 11844

                  Originally posted by Harrison_Bergeron
                  If he were a Democrat that would make him indecisive, unwilling to take a stance on a hot button issue, but he's not so my guess is that it makes him open minded. Am I right?
                  If he's consistently voting pro-2A, that pretty much makes him GTG as far as that particular issue. So he's taking a moderate stance in interviews? Fine by me.

                  -- Michael

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                  • #24
                    LibertyOptics
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 592

                    Originally posted by Josh3239
                    Some of you guys need to shut up and research it yourselves: ....
                    Yes, do the research. Maybe this will help.

                    Conservative or Gun-Grabber? GOA’s Rating For John McCain 2000  C – – 2002  C – – 2004  F – – 2006  F – –   John McCain’s Liberal Voting Record John McCain Is A Liberal Gun Grabber John McCain Funded By Soros Since 2001 John McCain’s Top 10 Class-Warfare Arguments Against Tax Cuts The Geraldo Rivera Republican Democrats Say McCain … Read more


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                    McCain GTG? I don't think so.

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                    • #25
                      tombinghamthegreat
                      Veteran Member
                      • May 2007
                      • 2785

                      McCain is more worried about maintaining our empire and our presence in Iraq than individual rights. I am sure if he had to he would sign our rights away as long as he can continue his 100 year war with the middle east. This is assuming that he supports the 2nd(he may only have voted progun to keep his party and NRA quiet). If he does not then he would not need such a strong reason to sign the new AWB in effect. Even the NRA is not so eager to back him for some of the resent laws he tried to pass.
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                      The same way they enforce all the rest of the BS laws. Only criminals are exempt, while the honest obey.
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                      • #26
                        Blacktail 8541
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2006
                        • 1567

                        He is like any other politiciation, do what needs to be done to get the vote. None of the three canidates are a good choice, but it is up to the indivigual to determine which canidate expresses your outlook and intrest the best.

                        I personally do not think a lot of McCains plans on keeping our troops in Irac, but that is a far less evil in my mind than Obamas' outlook on Guns and the naive veiw on forien politic.

                        The US needs to invest in itself internally again and limit the forign aid it makes availeable so that we can pay off our deficet and not be owned by forign nations.
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                        • #27
                          HeyZeus
                          Member
                          • Apr 2008
                          • 243

                          All three canadate's are gun grabbers believe me. Some less then others. They all are about globalism. None stand for Borders, Language, and Culture. It will only get worse before it gets better.

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                          • #28
                            dustoff31
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 8209

                            The fact that he doesn't own a gun doesn't really bother me. There are a lot of cops and military people who don't own, or particulary care for guns save the fact that carrying one is required by their work.

                            There are a lot of reasons to be displeased with McCain. But on the gun issue, given the choce between:

                            1. McCain, who believes that people shouldn't be allowed to buy a gun without a background check.

                            2. Obama, who has said straight up that he wants to ban all semi-autos. And even ban guns in general depending on where you live.

                            3. Hillary, whose husband actually did ban certain firearms.

                            The choice seems pretty clear.
                            Last edited by dustoff31; 05-31-2008, 8:59 AM.
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                            • #29
                              hawk81
                              Banned
                              • Dec 2007
                              • 1489

                              He's also hooked up with George Soros. I do not trust this man at all.

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                              • #30
                                yellowfin
                                Calguns Addict
                                • Nov 2007
                                • 8371

                                That is precisely the problem. What he works with the other side on IS moving the ball forward, but forward to what we don't want. He gets more done in the way of government interventionism, not prying their hands off. Moving forward is only good if it's in the right direction. None of what the other side will agree to and routinely enlists McCAin to get done for them is working towards less regulation, repealing the utter disaster of the King FDR years and Johnson's bungling, getting us back on the gold standard, breaking up the ostensible two party but in practice one party monopoly, and restoring the balance of power in favor of the individual over the monster of runaway government that makes up the rules as it goes along. In that effor McCain has been absolutely nothing of a hero and instead a worthless parasite just as the rest of them. Sorry I don't bow to your sacred cows, but nothing makes that right and nobody gets a pass because of something they did once, no matter how great. Doesn't matter if you're a scientist who cures the great plague of the century, Elvis come back to life, or the Pope's half brother, if you beat women, molest kids, or sodomize our country by moving us towards socialism, then you're a scumbag. Period.
                                Originally posted by AngelDecoys
                                Like him, or not. He's the only one of the three that has worked with the other side to get things accomplished. Moderates move the ball forward. McCain is attractive to many, especially the elderly who feel comfortable in (the idea of) him being President. Even Reagan and Clinton realized one must compromise to get things done.

                                Hillery or Obama spells another 4 years of gridlock.

                                BTW - I believe there was another candidate (Paul) who also is a strong 2nd supporter but has no firearms (Just a thought).
                                "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things with insane laws. That's insane!" -- Penn Jillette
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                                In Pennsylvania Your permit to carry concealed is called a License to carry fire arms. Other states call it a CCW. In New Jersey it's called a crime.
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