Could a LEO legally use a firearm related sticker/logo on a bag or on your car as...

[pitbull30]

OK, so what does the LEO think when he pulls over my late model BMW SUV with a NRA Sticker and a KPBS (the local NPR PBS Station) License plate frame and a CA Veteran USN Plates {Vanity of course}, with a dozen squadron decals and lastly a USN Retired decal.

Seriously. I have been pulled over 5 times in 30 years of driving and it has always been a courteous drivers license and registration please. 5 pull overs 2 tickets, 1 Drivers School ( my fault 70 in a 45) and one dismiss ( was totally yellow).

That despite your NRA sticker your are a Vet without a warrant therefore you prob aren't looking to knock off a liquor store.

I could spot a hundred more people to give a hard time than your description in my area.

[mshill]

I just don't ever put stickers on a car.

[scrubb]

Could a LEO legally use a firearm related sticker/logo on a bag or on your car as probable cause that there is a firearm in the vehicle and therefore conduct a search without your consent and without you stating if you did or did not have any firearms with you?

You betcha boy!

[vincewarde]

I believe there was a case somewhere the cops had pulled someone over for having an NRA sticker thinking the driver had guns in the car...
310 F.3d at 353

Great find. The Fifth Circuit was also the first to recognize a personal 2nd Amendment right too.

Of course this doesn't mean they can't search your vehicle on these grounds, it just means what "evidence" they may find is inadmissible.

[vincewarde]

When I was pulled over in the wife's car, with a Calguns Gun Rights = Civil Rights frame, I did get asked if I happened to be carrying (I wasn't). What followed was a 20 minute conversation with the CHP officer, new to the area, about where he could shoot IDPA, what he shot and reloading presses....... got to love El Dorado County

[Hopalong]

Legal or not, who needs the hassle?

If you put something up for display

Don't get upset when someone notices

[dwtt]

So, if I were to put a sticker from my former employer, Lockheed Martin, on my car, would a cop think I'm carrying a missile?

[wazdat]

That has been an issue in Ohio. Remember the guys putting those little stickers on their cars in support of the 2A and some Ohio police agency coming out with the bulletin about it? It basically told officers that if they see that sticker that they were to assume the occupant of the vehicle had a gun.

You mean this decal? It was the Baltimore Police.

http://www.ammoland.com/2011/06/baltimore-police-issue-2nd-amendment-decal-warning/#axzz2H1SqjMZO

[billmaykafer]

can i take my wife to the detention camp with me? she is pretty good cook and i would be happier with her cooking some grub.

[billmaykafer]

You mean this decal? It was the Baltimore Police.

http://www.ammoland.com/2011/06/baltimore-police-issue-2nd-amendment-decal-warning/#axzz2H1SqjMZO

traffic stops are the most dangerous for police? i thought domestic disputes were most dangerous. i could be wrong thogh as i did not google it.

[otteray]

My bro-in-law had the hood of his beautiful Corvette keyed.
Oddly, he had no bumper stickers.
How many broken windows, thefts or arrests have actually been documented, or is this another urban legend?
How many times has someone attacked a vehicle because of a bumper sticker that states something arguable? Where is the documentation?

[the86d]

If asked to search your vehicle: "I do not consent to any searches."
If asked again: "Again, I do not consent to ANY searches..."

"What is your P.C.?" Will get a nice attitude from a LEO, they then know that you are familiar with Probational Cause, and that you are truly not willing to be violated. I have had a cop's dog piss in my car: They were using my car as a training session for the dog, and they guy pulled a baggie of a white powder out of his pocket, and said "Look what we have here..." He was screwing with me, as I had never been a druggie. "I do NOT consent to ANY searches!" will forever be my response if I am asked if they can search any of my property for the rest of my life...

[TeddyBallgame]

ahh, I remember the good ole days when owning a gun was paramount to owning shovel

nobody cared

[Colonel Monk]

Yeah, whether right or wrong, it's got to be better just to NOT have the sticker on your vehicle.

Wear a glock tshirt to the bar, but having your car be vanilla can save you hassle.

As always stated, "Don't talk to the Police" "Don't consent to a search".

I'm always suprised how people don't realize they can say NO and it's up to the police to provide a warrant.

Even if you have nothing to hide you don't have to show them everything.

The locked container thing is key - I have started to put locks on my gun bags, and I put my pistols in there as well for travel and keep them locked.

I also don't use traditional gun cases if I can help it - a tactical rifle case looks like any number of black cases for music equipment, etc.

Another important point, is that if you are asked to exit your vehicle, LOCK THE DOORS. If they are locked, they cannot search your car or otherwise snoop around. If they ask you why you locked it just tell them "habit". If they ask you to unlock it, "I do not consent to a search".

It's not personal - if they get angry just tell them it's your right, and you can exercise it.

I don't do illegal things, but as evidenced 100's of times a day across the country, some uneducated officers who don't know the law will try to trip you up while doing a "routine stop". You can protect yourself against this.

Prime example is the other thread about the loaded magazine being a loaded weapon, even if it is locked away from the gun. Bull****, but you can still end up having your day ruined by this police belief.

So protect yourself.

CM

[Decoligny]

That has been an issue in Ohio. Remember the guys putting those little stickers on their cars in support of the 2A and some Ohio police agency coming out with the bulletin about it? It basically told officers that if they see that sticker that they were to assume the occupant of the vehicle had a gun.

Any LEO that doesn't assume that every single person he pulls over is armed, is a fool.

It is one thing to assume that someone has a firearm.

It is another thing all together to assume the someone has a firearm ILLEGALLY.

Probable Cause refers to having enough cause to believe that a crime has been committed, is being committed, or is about to be committed.

Assumption does not meet the standard of Probable Cause.

Before I had my LTC, the only time I carried a firearm in my vehicle was to/from the range (a buddy's gravel pit). However, I own many 2A related tee shirts, and wear them a lot.

Wearing a 2A tee shirt does not give an officer Probable Cause to believe I have commited a crime. It does not give them Probable Cause to believe I have a gun on me.