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  • Danz la Nuit
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    • Jan 2011
    • 2283

    Could a LEO legally use a firearm related sticker/logo on a bag or on your car as...

    Could a LEO legally use a firearm related sticker/logo on a bag or on your car as probable cause that there is a firearm in the vehicle and therefore conduct a search without your consent and without you stating if you did or did not have any firearms with you?
  • #2
    Guitarmoto
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2011
    • 429

    I'm curious about this too. I doubt it for search, but I know for sure they approach more cautiously.

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    • #3
      Moonshine
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2012
      • 2053

      IDEA: don't put a sticker on it and you'll never ha e to find out. MOST people don't know I own a gun. SOME people know I own a handgun to protect my family. ONLY MY CLOSEST FRIENDS know I own 10 guns including semi-auto rifles...

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      • #4
        WeiseGuy
        Member
        • Dec 2012
        • 411

        Yeah, I wouldnt blatantly be telling anyone I have firearms in my car or give any inclination that I might. Same for my home. Why would I give a reason to break into my car/home.
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        • #5
          skyscraper
          Calguns Addict
          • Feb 2011
          • 5196

          I would ask this in the LEO forum, that way you get real LEO's answering your question.

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          • #6
            smn
            Junior Member
            • May 2011
            • 60

            I believe there was a case somewhere the cops had pulled someone over for having an NRA sticker thinking the driver had guns in the car...
            310 F.3d at 353
            Originally posted by Magana opinion
            In Estep, the Fifth Circuit stated that the presence of a NRA sticker on a vehicle should not have raised the inference the driver was dangerous. Id. at 358. The Court concluded "[r]egardless of whether there is some correlation between the display of an NRA sticker and gun possession, placing an NRA sticker in one's vehicle is certainly legal and constitutes expression which is protected by the First Amendment. A police officer's inference that danger is afoot because a citizen displays an NRA sticker in his vehicle presents disturbing First and Fourth Amendment implications." Id. at 358-359 (emphasis in original).
            Last edited by smn; 01-03-2013, 2:27 PM. Reason: Added reference to Magana for quoted text.

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            • #7
              cdtx2001
              CGN Contributor
              • Apr 2009
              • 6630

              That has been an issue in Ohio. Remember the guys putting those little stickers on their cars in support of the 2A and some Ohio police agency coming out with the bulletin about it? It basically told officers that if they see that sticker that they were to assume the occupant of the vehicle had a gun.
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              • #8
                MyNamesMeToo
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2012
                • 657

                Originally posted by Moonshine
                IDEA: don't put a sticker on it and you'll never ha e to find out. MOST people don't know I own a gun. SOME people know I own a handgun to protect my family. ONLY MY CLOSEST FRIENDS know I own 10 guns including semi-auto rifles...
                agreed. no need to advertise. and awww schucks, i guess we're closest friends now.

                like ricers putting stickers all over their cars and wondering why they get pulled over and have their hoods popped and cars impounded.

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                • #9
                  winnre
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 9214

                  Probably not, I am sure this case could be cited:

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                  • #10
                    stix213
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                    • Apr 2009
                    • 18998

                    Originally posted by Moonshine
                    IDEA: don't put a sticker on it and you'll never ha e to find out. MOST people don't know I own a gun. SOME people know I own a handgun to protect my family. ONLY MY CLOSEST FRIENDS know I own 10 guns including semi-auto rifles...
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                    • #11
                      Kestryll
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                      • Oct 2005
                      • 21580

                      If they can I should have been pulled over a LOT more then I have been!
                      (Once for speeding, I was)

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                      • #12
                        bill_k_lopez
                        Banned
                        • May 2011
                        • 2836

                        Why advertise to the general public?

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                        • #13
                          cpatbay
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                          • May 2011
                          • 1631

                          Where can I buy a TRUCK LIKE THAT !!! 8)
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                          • #14
                            Oceanbob
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Jun 2010
                            • 12719

                            Regardless of what stickers you have on your car, there still have to be either probable cause for a Search or your Consent for a Search.

                            Never consent to a search. Never.

                            (By the way; always transport your guns legally. Unloaded in a locked case)

                            Probable cause would have to be you resemble an escaped felon or you are a wanted person. Someone who looks like you just robbed a bank down the street...etc...etc..etc.. NOT because you have a GLOCK sticker on your bumper.

                            Learn to listen to the conversation when pulled over. If you are removed from your car (asked to get out) and sat down on the CURB or Sidewalk, expect the Police to search. They will ask you if you have anything illegal inside the car; you respond 'No', then they say as they are opening the drivers door...'You don't mind if I take a look then do you..?'...being intimidated you reply...'No, go ahead'....BAD MOVE.

                            I see this happen on COPS all the time. Young kids sitting on the sidewalk and the cops pull that stunt; find Pot or a pipe or something. They all go to jail.

                            Keep it shut. hahaha
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                              • Oct 2005
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                              And you might have your lunch in that Glock-embossed tupperware. If they want to see what's in the box, they need probable cause, or a warrant (for which they are supposed to explain their probable cause).

                              Doesn't mean an investigator won't try.
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