Rash of school shootings

[11Z50]

Here we go again......4 school shootings in one week. Luckily, this has not been politicised yet.

I had a thought about this. Maybe the reason schools are such appealing areas for these nuts cases is that nobody there is armed. They know they can make a big impact, and kill many people with little risk of being killed outright. Same with Malls with unarmed security. If a potential murderer wants to kill a bunch of people quickly and get some headlines, a school or mall is the way to go. He will be able to get off dozens of shots before any LE response. Ever wonder why they don't walk into a gun shop and start shooting?

Maybe the answer is to put armed security around potential target areas like schools and malls. We don't really need LEOs, just trained, armed security. I've seen such guards around local courts and it seems to work well. A nut case that wants to go on a rampage will not attack a place that is guarded by security that will kill him before he can kill anybody else.

[HeHateMe]

yup, more victims of gun free zones.

[vandal]

Defiitely gives me a rash!

[AngelDecoys]

Maybe the answer is to put armed security around potential target areas like schools and malls. We don't really need LEOs, just trained, armed security. I've seen such guards around local courts and it seems to work well. A nut case that wants to go on a rampage will not attack a place that is guarded by security that will kill him before he can kill anybody else.

I wouldn't have an issue with an officer on campus other than that's a huge expense for something random. Actually we don't even need to do that. While knowing a bunch of teachers, I'm NOT be a big fan of them being armed in the classroom. I have a feeling many teachers wouldn't want to carry on campus, and many might just leave a gun in their desk, or in their purse where a kid had access. Not a good idea to me. A simple lock on classroom doors made of steel that can be locked from the inside solves most classroom risk.

An idea long not considered I think is a good idea:
We could simply require an Administrator for each school to have a CCW. Front Sight offers free training for such an idea already. They wear suits anyway, and would be the first on campus to be able to deal with a situation AND be in a position to know whether someone belonged on campus or not. And it would be inexpensive to implement as policy.

Of the few incidences where a school shooting has been averted, it had been because a teacher went out to their car and retrieved a firearm.

[11Z50]

I don't think school administrators should be required to have a CCW. Most administrators I know would not do it. Besides, they spend almost all their time in meetings or in their office, and if a shooting went down, they would not be able to respond any faster than the cops.

The place to stop a school or mall shooting is at a point of ingress. Take out the shooter before or just after the first shots. Most schools now have only one ore two unrestricted points of ingress. Armed, low-profile security at those points, during hours when students were present, would be relatively inexpensive.

[AngelDecoys]

I don't think school administrators should be required to have a CCW. Most administrators I know would not do it. Besides, they spend almost all their time in meetings or in their office, and if a shooting went down, they would not be able to respond any faster than the cops.

I concur. Not saying every administrator would be willing to carry. However, I know many who would if it were allowed. I know several who keep a firearm locked in their trunk just for that remote reason.

I would disagree with you however in terms of response time. Any administrator could head toward a suspected individual quicker, then just simply sounding the 'code blue' alarm for lock down, then waiting 15-20 minutes for LE to show up.

Even at Columbine, officers didn't go in until the area was made secure, and after administration was consulted. Someone on-sceen, in an immediate capacity has a far better chance of stopping something before loss of life.

[AngelDecoys]

Armed, low-profile security at those points, during hours when students were present, would be relatively inexpensive.

At 70-80k per police officer, and per school, that's way more expensive than you might think. It is not financially feasible anyplace except in areas where crime is high already.

[Salty]

Dunno, I went to a high school of about 2000 people. We had one armed police officer on the campus and we still had gun related incidents every year.

[11Z50]

At 70-80k per police officer, and per school, that's way more expensive than you might think. It is not financially feasible anyplace except in areas where crime is high already.

As I stated earlier, we don't need an LEO. Properly armed, trained and certified security can be had for $35-$50/Hr. This would amount to about 2K/week, or about 40k/year.

[AngelDecoys]

Dunno, I went to a high school of about 2000 people. We had one armed police officer on the campus and we still had gun related incidents every year.

Gun related incidences do happen, no question. I guess you went to a school where that was the policy of the District to have LE on site. Makes sense considering the numbers of incidences/year.

As I stated earlier, we don't need an LEO. Properly armed, trained and certified security can be had for $35-$50/Hr. This would amount to about 2K/week, or about 40k/year.

I know here in Manteca, the school district has almost 35 schools. It is a smaller district for the area. Placing a police officer in every school here would be very expensive. A school district would insist on an officer, not a simple security guard. I know in Manteca, the local PD would be willing to do it, IF the district will pay the salaries and benefits for an additional 35 officers.

I guess if people feel they need the additional expense, a simple measure for that area could be passed. Perhaps an additional 1% sales tax to pay for it.

[11Z50]

Gun related incidences do happen, no question. I guess you went to a school where that was the policy of the District to have LE on site. Makes sense considering the numbers of incidences/year.

I know here in Manteca, the school district has almost 35 schools. It is a smaller district for the area. Placing a police officer in every school here would be very expensive. A school district would insist on an officer, not a simple security guard. I know in Manteca, the local PD would be willing to do it, IF the district will pay the salaries and benefits for an additional 35 officers.

I guess if people feel they need the additional expense, a simple measure for that area could be passed. Perhaps an additional 1% sales tax to pay for it.

WE DON'T NEED MORE TAXES OR MORE COPS!!!!!!

Do like the courts and hire private security. Much less expensive, and you don't have to pay for retirement, benefits, and work-comp.

[AngelDecoys]

WE DON'T NEED MORE TAXES OR MORE COPS!!!!!!

Do like the courts and hire private security. Much less expensive, and you don't have to pay for retirement, benefits, and work-comp.

School districts would INSIST on professional law enforcment. We can go that route, but it will cost.

[Liberty1]

You're all complicating this way too much with top down one size fits all solutions. You don't like staff being armed. You don't like adult students armed. You want armed professionals at a ratio of 2000 to 1. How is that 1 going to do a good job? Who are you to make these choices for someone else.

The answer is too simple, legalize the 2nd Amendment, and prohibit any form of government from infringing on it; including public schools, DMV, parks, gov. buildings, etc... Then if individuals choose to be unarmed victims or private property wishes to a "disarmed victim zone", it is their legal choice.

[pullnshoot25]

I remember when Columbine happened (8th grade) and all the kids in my class were freaking out, sobbing, etc. during a "counseling session" and saying how scared they were at our school and fearful of how they might get shot. I then raised my hand and said "Well, why don't we arm the teachers? I don't think that we can always have cops around to protect us." I had just finished an essay on gun control as well (totally whooped ***, btw) You should have seen the looks on everyone's faces when I said that.

[lazuris]

Whats so sad about these issues is that its not a Gun thing its a cultural thing where people have no regard for human life and the rights of the other. One point i would like to make. Notice how the shootings are happening now at colleges where like 5-7 years ago they were at high schools. That would put high schoolers 5-7 years ago now into college. I wonder if its a generation thing where these students "grew up" with school shootings and are now continuing the fad.