Murder Statistics by Weapon

[Fate]

Move to England. Your utopia awaits.

[curtisfong]

The whole point I'm trying to make is if there's even a SMALL chance it could prevent 1 life being lost then isn't it worth it?

Freedom doesn't work that way.

If you want 100% safety, why not lock everybody in cages for their entire lives?

Think of the lives you've saved.

[Farva]

Trolling? What are you talking about??
My points are completely valid and I wasn't talking about defence of "freedom from tyranny" or shooting competitions- I was talking about on a day-to-day basis in everyday life.

If a man takes hostages and a team has to go in to clear the room- would the police/military/feds be better up against a 10 round single-shot rifle/pistol or a 30 round fully auto weapon??? The whole point I'm trying to make is if there's even a SMALL chance it could prevent 1 life being lost then isn't it worth it?

We get plastic cutlery on many airlines- I'm not saying this stops any type of incident happening on a plane but it MIGHT prevent just ONE incident somehow.

As for the multi choice thing for a rifle I made an error I meant pistol, but the argument remains:
1-Wife walks into gunstore
2- Takes multi-choice test
3- Buys pistol
4- 10 day clearance
5- hey presto- a person with no idea about firearms whatsoever now has one to use or misuse as they like

If a man takes hostages what makes you think he is going to abide by the laws in your fantasy land? Look at the north Hollywood shootouts. Those guys had illegal fully automatic weapons. They are illegal right? Then how could they possibly have them? See how this works?

If we listen to your 'logic' and you honestly believe that if we all have 10 round magazines that the man robbing the bank and taking hostages will not illegally acquire 30 round mags, then you are off your rocker. Your ideals and logic are totally misplaced and you cant even credibly defend them.

And lastly, your wife doesnt need to know about firearms to legally purchase them. That is on her or her spouse to inform her about the firearm. Personal responsibility son. Come up with better examples and present your argument in a realistic matter and maybe we will take you seriously.

[POLICESTATE]

Haha. well the bad guy in your little scenario is only get to get 1 or 2 rounds off semi or auto before he's down. Moot point.

Now, let's look at a much more nefarious and wrong-minded statement you made.

f there's even a SMALL chance it could prevent 1 life being lost then isn't it worth it?

Absolutely not. We can't go around restricting rights on the small chance it might save a life. That is silly. Might as well simply lock everyone up and be done with it. That way no one can possibly do anything to anyone else that might endanger their life. Just on the SMALL chance that it could prevent 1 life being lost.

There are countries that are like you describe, lots of them. Developed countries too, mostly in Europe but not exclusively there. I say to people that can't handle a little risk here in America: move there. You are free to go live where ever you like, you are not free to limit the freedoms of others in this one though.

SMALL chance of preventing a lost life. People die dude. It's what they do. Some die quietly in their sleep, some die doing something stupid. It will always be so until the end of time.

Trolling? What are you talking about??
My points are completely valid and I wasn't talking about defence of "freedom from tyranny" or shooting competitions- I was talking about on a day-to-day basis in everyday life.

If a man takes hostages and a team has to go in to clear the room- would the police/military/feds be better up against a 10 round single-shot rifle/pistol or a 30 round fully auto weapon??? The whole point I'm trying to make is if there's even a SMALL chance it could prevent 1 life being lost then isn't it worth it?

We get plastic cutlery on many airlines- I'm not saying this stops any type of incident happening on a plane but it MIGHT prevent just ONE incident somehow.

As for the multi choice thing for a rifle I made an error I meant pistol, but the argument remains:
1-Wife walks into gunstore
2- Takes multi-choice test
3- Buys pistol
4- 10 day clearance
5- hey presto- a person with no idea about firearms whatsoever now has one to use or misuse as they like

[decepticon6551]

I'd rather my next door neighbors get into a fight and punch/stab each other than start letting loose rounds in the house potentially killing some innocent bystander ie my family/drivers in the street/other neighbors.

I have nothing but JHP loaded at home, for just that reason. I also have a light mounted, and I practice regularly.
I'm not hitting anything I don't intend to.

The gun laws are fine as they are in my opinion- infact I'd say they're pretty slack!! Far too many uneducated and untrained people have easy access to weapons.

The only one's that respect the unnecessary gun laws we have, are law abiding citizens. The least educated & trained are criminals, who don't care about hicaps, etc, and never go to a range & practice marksmanship & safety.

My wife got a rifle in SoCal after doing the so-called multi-choice "test" and she passed no problem despite having literally NO CLUE about firearms...if I wasn't there to teach her- she would have been just another idiot with a dangerous weapon...I wouldn't let her try and use a chain-saw without making sure she was confident with it...so definitely not something that can harm the wrong people accidentally- including herself.

So by your logic, chainsaws should be regulated along with other power tools because they are potentially dangerous?


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Oh, that was one hell of a first post, welcome to Calguns

[Librarian]

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