The STOP SB 249 (Yee) Campaign: Moves fwd to Appropriations Cmte - Back to Work!!

[sreiter]

I don;t understand this part on the stop sb 249 website



i thought there was no constructive possession law.

Can someone please clarify this?

[wildhawker]

I don;t understand this part on the stop sb 249 website i thought there was no constructive possession law.

Can someone please clarify this?

[Palmaris]

Hi guys. I just confused and I apologize for my ignorance, but I can't understand how this new bill might affect AR15 pistols. Can somebody give me an idea please.
Thank you very much.

[FABIO GETS GOOSED!!!]

Just getting a chance to look at the "scenarios" in the legal analysis more closely. Can someone explain how possession of a registered, fixed magazine AW and a large cap magazine could possibly amount to an SB 249 violation? (Scenario #5.) How could this combination of parts when affixed to a rifle with fixed magazine convert the rifle to a detachable mag rifle? Thanks.

[mirage2123]

I just donated $100 via paypal. Keep up the good work and fight CGF!

[Turbinator]

Bringing legal high-cap magazine to range=cost $0.
Being arrested for wrongful felony charge and associated bail and expenses=$20,000
Working overtime at your job to pay off the legal debt while the incompetent arresting cop gets a service medal=priceless.

Pal, with this attitude, the anti's have won. For me - no thanks.

I will continue to use and enjoy my pre-2000 hicap mags that I purchased legally. I refuse to let the anti's win.

If you are otherwise conducting yourself in a lawful manner, then CGF would be pleased to defend a pure large cap mag possession case.

-Brandon

Awesome. Total win!

Turby

[taperxz]

Just getting a chance to look at the "scenarios" in the legal analysis more closely. Can someone explain how possession of a registered, fixed magazine AW and a large cap magazine could possibly amount to an SB 249 violation? (Scenario #5.) How could this combination of parts when affixed to a rifle with fixed magazine convert the rifle to a detachable mag rifle? Thanks.

Parts kits or conversion kits would be illegal to possess if the gun were stripped, needing of replacement, or reconfiguration. Taking the gun apart for cleaning could result in conversion kit/parts possession.

[rbetts]

After some off-line discussions with some people, I'm going to withdraw my Chicken Little comments from earlier.

While I do believe that the threat from SB249 lies mainly in other directions than what are being most talked about, I do have to concede that there are a few ways - if the planets and stars are all in the right alignment, and you've got some very esoteric combinations of parts, some of which may or may not be even available on the market - that SB249 could cause problems as described in this thread, above and beyond what I had previously considered.

I'm not going to discuss this any further in public.

Ditto

[FABIO GETS GOOSED!!!]

Parts kits or conversion kits would be illegal to possess if the gun were stripped, needing of replacement, or reconfiguration. Taking the gun apart for cleaning could result in conversion kit/parts possession.

In the scenario you have "the mere possession" only of a registered fixed mag AW and a large cap magazine. SB 249 criminalizes possession of a conversion kit, not other parts that may exist somewhere out in the universe of which you do not have possession. In the scenario which parts from the registered fixed mag AW and large cap magazine could be used to convert a fixed mag rifle to a detachable mag rifle?

[taperxz]

In the scenario you have possession only of a registered fixed mag AW and a large cap magazine. SB 249 criminalizes possession of a conversion kit, not other parts that may exist somewhere out in the universe of which you do not have possession. In the scenario which parts from the registered fixed mag AW and large cap magazine could be used to convert a fixed mag rifle to a detachable mag rifle?

Show me the exemptions in the bill to back YOUR understanding of "conversion kit to create a fixed mag rifle into an AW.

[FABIO GETS GOOSED!!!]

Show me the exemptions in the bill to back YOUR understanding of "conversion kit to create a fixed mag rifle into an AW.

No idea what you mean by "exemptions" or "understanding of 'conversion kit to create a fixed mag rifle into an AW." I'm just tracking the language of the proposed bill:

"(a) As used in this chapter a “conversion kit” means either of the following:
(1) Any combination of parts that, when affixed to a firearm with a fixed magazine, are designed and intended to convert that firearm into an assault weapon as defined by one of the following:
(A) Paragraph (1) of subdivision (a) of Section 30515.
(B) Paragraph (4) of subdivision (a) of Section 30515.
(C) Paragraph (7) of subdivision (a) of Section 30515."

The combination of parts in the scenario being the registered fixed mag AW and large cap magazine. The analysis says the mere possession of this combination of parts would be an SB 249 violation. So which of these parts when affixed to a fixed mag firearm would be designed and intended to convert the firearm into a detachable mag semiauto centerfire rifle with features/detachable mag semiauto pistol with features/detachable mag semiauto shotgun?

[IPSICK]

Is it possible that a sticky with a link to this thread be created in the Centerfire rifles forum? I am certain there are users who don't even glance at the 2nd Amendment forum.

[oepirate]

Would there be a benefit (or risk) of trying to schedule time to go to Yee's office and discuss our opinion in person?

[Johnnyfres]

oepirate if you do get in make sure you video record it.

[phdo]

Would there be a benefit (or risk) of trying to schedule time to go to Yee's office and discuss our opinion in person?

I highly doubt he'll give you his time of day. He'll probably send one of his henchmen to do the dirty work to avoid accountability.