Statistics information on crimes surrounding firearm dealers

[CocoTiTs]

The last time this idea got any progress at all was 1999, when Canyon Sports wanted to build a range when they relocated to Howe Road.

See http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...10/MN14964.DTL

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/e/a/1999/09/12/METRO5286.dtl&ao=all

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/1999/09/17/MNR4CO2.DTL

Contra Costa Times has a few articles in their archive, behind a paywall; those seem about the same as the sfgate content.

Great research. Good to know. I'm going to try and warm up Pittsburg to the idea of a range by first gettin the dealership approved.

I emailed Daniel Wilhelm from the NRA that I met at the dinner like he asked today. Hopefully hear back soon.

[CocoTiTs]

update:

ATF called me today and we made our inspection appointment at the address for july 5th. They are going to call the city planning and city police for their approval today. I have already gotten verbal approval from planning and verbal denial from city police. ATF says they will give me a chance to change their mind as long as it stays within the 30 day period of when they received my application.

Also i have been trying to get ahold of the city manager to find out how to get my issue heard by city council to change the desicion made by the city police. finally after 3 days of calling i have reached someone. they redirected me back to planning dept manager as per request of city manager Joe Sbranti. so i talked to Daina Hawket a manager within planning dept. she was helpful. per Daina since i have only had a verbal denial from police it is not sufficient enough to take to city council. i need to apply for both the business license and also the business permit which need to be turned in together. both the planning dept and police dept research these applications and either deny or approve. if and only if i receive a denial from these applications can i then appeal those desicions. it would then be heard by a hearing officer. then if a denial happens from the hearing officer i then can appeal once again and finally be heard by city council. being that i have a time stamp of july 5th this process will not be done by this atf ffl application cut off date. most likely worst case scenario i would not see city council until october. each of these processes takes 4-6 weeks generally.

So now i am going to get copies of both the business license and also the business permit fill them out and move forward from there. the reason this was not done already by me was i was told i cannot fill out these applications without first the approval of the atf and having the ffl number for these applications. of course this is the run around i have received.

[wash]

A lesson should be learned from this example and Pinole.

A denial at any step in the process is an opportunity for any anti-gun person in the local government to block you.

To get around that, your first application must be so perfect that you can not be denied.

One mistake is enough to screw you over.

Volunteering information to the police sounds nice but if they are antis, they will just use it against you.

Anyone who wants to do something like this needs to have a solid strategy, make no mistakes and probably partner with a group like Brandon's Cal-FFL thing.

Any other way is too easy for an anti to block.

[mud99]

I don't know much about the process, but you need to get a roadmap together and pair up with someone more experienced.

If you have to ask the people at the city how to do it, you are doing it wrong. A lawyer should be able to read the city code and figure out where you need to go and what steps you have to take to get an approval, and it doesn't matter what all the peons you have talked to think.

The more people you ask for more permission, the more chances you have to be denied.

[wildhawker]

I don't know much about the process, but you need to get a roadmap together and pair up with someone more experienced.

If you have to ask the people at the city how to do it, you are doing it wrong. A lawyer should be able to read the city code and figure out where you need to go and what steps you have to take to get an approval, and it doesn't matter what all the peons you have talked to think.

The more people you ask for more permission, the more chances you have to be denied.

Whoda thunkit.

Coco, to restate, please keep me and Josh informed of progress and issues. Do consider engaging counsel as the process can be something of a [legal, political, and PR] minefield - especially in the Bay Area/CoCoCounty.

-Brandon

I haven't received any emails, and I'm betting Josh hasn't either.



-Brandon

[wjc]

A lesson should be learned from this example and Pinole.

A denial at any step in the process is an opportunity for any anti-gun person in the local government to block you.

To get around that, your first application must be so perfect that you can not be denied.

One mistake is enough to screw you over.

Volunteering information to the police sounds nice but if they are antis, they will just use it against you.

Anyone who wants to do something like this needs to have a solid strategy, make no mistakes and probably partner with a group like Brandon's Cal-FFL thing.

Any other way is too easy for an anti to block.

I would also bet dollars to donuts that LCAV, and possibly the Brady Bunch, were contacted the minute you got those verbal approvals.

[CocoTiTs]

Emails sent to Brandon and Josh.

[jdberger]

Nothing received.

Joshua[dot]berger@calgunsfdn[dot]org

[CocoTiTs]

Resent. I typed ffn not fdn.

[CocoTiTs]

I received a reply from the man I met from the NRA. He passed along my info and I should be hearing back soon.

[Librarian]

Somewhat more general statistics, and wider in scope, are available by city. For example, http://www.city-data.com/city/Pittsburg-California.html for Pittsburg.

A lot is a re-statement from the Census data.

There is a growing number of crime-incident mapping programs - here's one for Oakland, for example - and many of the maps are available through the city web sites.

[CocoTiTs]

That's useful thank you. Pittsburg is actually low compared to its neighbor of Antioch.

[CocoTiTs]

I was contacted by a law firm that i may use to help me through this situation so I can get my ffl. Hear back Soon