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  • hoffmang
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Apr 2006
    • 18448

    SaveCRPA responds to CRPA cease and desist

    Late today, Trademark counsel for SaveCRPA responded to CRPA's legal threat against the free speech of members and board members who want CRPA to adopt the same democratic principles that NRA uses.

    Counsel expressed the intent of the loose association that is the SaveCRPA project that we'd happily accept a ballot of the members on whether CRPA should adopt NRA's board nomination, petition, and election procedures as a way to settle this dispute.

    -Gene
    Last edited by hoffmang; 05-24-2012, 10:35 PM. Reason: Minor spelling error.
    Gene Hoffman
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    SantaCabinetguy
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Feb 2011
    • 15137

    Nice.
    Hauoli Makahiki Hou


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    • #3
      OleCuss
      Calguns Addict
      • Jun 2009
      • 7939

      I quite enjoyed the response.
      CGN's token life-long teetotaling vegetarian. Don't consider anything I post as advice or as anything more than opinion (if even that).

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      • #4
        Zebra
        Member
        • Oct 2005
        • 417

        That's pretty funny...
        In my view your analysis of the situation here and your attempt to apply the inapplicable Federal Lanham Act in an effort to find some kind of imaginary liability for exercising constitutionally protected rights could not be further off base.
        Originally posted by hoffmang
        Late today, Trademark counsel for SaveCRPA responded to CRPA's legal threat against the free speech of members and board members who want CRPA to adopt the same democratic principles that NRA uses.

        Counsel expressed the intent of the loose association that is the SaveCRPA project that we'd happily accept a ballot of the members on whether CRPA should adopt NRA's board nomination, petition, and election procedures as a way to settle this dispute.

        -Gene
        The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments

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        • #5
          NoJoke
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2010
          • 1538

          :beer::beer:

          That's a solution that will help everyone in the room - and in no uncertain terms!

          NO ISSUE / MAY ISSUE / SHALL ISSUE - LTC progress over time since 1986

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          • #6
            dsmoot
            Member
            • May 2009
            • 208

            Haha, I love the last paragraph basically telling them to put it to a vote!

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            • #7
              SWalt
              Calguns Addict
              • Jan 2012
              • 8136

              As a CRPA member, a vote seems very appropriate.
              ^^^The above is just an opinion.

              NRA Patron Member
              CRPA 5 yr Member

              "...which from their verbosity, their endless tautologies, their involutions of case within case, and parenthesis within parenthesis, and their multiplied efforts at certainty by saids and aforesaids, by ors and by ands, to make them more plain, do really render them more perplexed and incomprehensible, not only to common readers, but to lawyers themselves. " - Thomas Jefferson

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              • #8
                rromeo
                Calguns Addict
                • Sep 2009
                • 6981

                This is a problem
                the competing 2nd Amendment organization the CalGuns Foundation,
                The two groups aren't competing, they're working for the same goal.
                Never initiate force against another. That should be the underlying principle of your life. But should someone do violence to you, retaliate without hesitation, without reservation, without quarter, until you are sure that he will never wish to harm - or never be capable of harming - you or yours again.

                - from THE SECOND BOOK OF KYFHO
                (Revised Eastern Sect Edition)

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                • #9
                  XDShocker
                  Member
                  • Aug 2011
                  • 107

                  Where's the steamroller pic when we need it?
                  America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
                  --Abraham Lincoln

                  When liberty is taken away by force it can be restored by force. When it is relinquished voluntarily by default it can never be recovered.
                  --Dorothy Thompson

                  The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.
                  --Tacitus, Roman senator and historian (A.D. c.56-c.115)

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                  • #10
                    Fjold
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 22775

                    Wouldn't it have been simpler to just write "You're stupid.", and then add the last paragraph about the vote?
                    Frank

                    One rifle, one planet, Holland's 375




                    Life Member NRA, CRPA and SAF

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                    • #11
                      JSolie
                      Senior Member
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 2252

                      Hmm.... Depending on response, I might have to change the opacity in my sig line...

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                      • #12
                        hoffmang
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 18448

                        Originally posted by Fjold
                        Wouldn't it have been simpler to just write "You're stupid.", and then add the last paragraph about the vote?
                        Yes, but unfortunately since there is no actual need to be accomplished to get appointed to the CRPA board, a lot of CRPA board members don't have the first clue about trademark law and therefor have a hard time judging how stupid the sending of the letter is.

                        But, that's just a circular irony about the lack of competence of almost all of the CRPA board...

                        -Gene
                        Gene Hoffman
                        Chairman, California Gun Rights Foundation

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                        • #13
                          nicki
                          Veteran Member
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 4208

                          As aggravating as this is.

                          The CRPA does have a state wide brand that can reach out to many of the older gun owners, particularily those who spend little, if any time on the internet.

                          A workable Calguns/CRPA alliance is something were we all win

                          Together
                          Everyone
                          Achieves
                          More

                          Calguns reaches a younger more diverse base.
                          CRPA reaches the older seasoned gun owners.

                          Each group can help each other in many ways that these ****ing contest is just what we didn't need.

                          Frankly, if we are going to **** on someone, there are plenty of groups and individuals working against our rights that all people on our side should agree to **** on together.

                          Together let's give our opponents the "Golden Showers" they deserve.

                          Nicki

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                          • #14
                            wildhawker
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 14150

                            Nicki,

                            Sometimes doing what is right is uncomfortable. I'm sure you understand how uncomfortable living the truth can be.

                            -Brandon
                            Brandon Combs

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                            • #15
                              greasemonkey
                              Banned
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 2474

                              Nicki, regarding working as a team, there's a quote from the CRPA's C&D letter that *should* stand out as painfully obvious. Rromeo picked up on it, noted above.

                              Unfortunately, the CRPA sees anyone else as competition instead of a multi-faceted team (you know, like CGF & SAF have been doing?). That is detrimental to our rights. When there are people in a civil rights movement who are backstabbing and seeking prestige, that's a problem that needs to be dealt with, not embraced.
                              Originally posted by CRPA
                              the competing 2nd Amendment organization the CalGuns Foundation,

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