SaveCRPA responds to CRPA cease and desist

[doginmirror]

lmfao pwned !

[berto]

"A shill website."

[greasemonkey]

There I fixed it

"A shill website."

[wildhawker]

Yes, and now it's on the record that the president of the CRPA admits that SaveCRPA is a "gripe site" for purely non-commercial (and protected) speech.

Tony, if you and John weren't so bad for our members I'd laugh at you.

-Brandon

[Wherryj]

Wouldn't it have been simpler to just write "You're stupid.", and then add the last paragraph about the vote?

Yeah, why complicate the issue with facts and reasonable suggestions?

[Jason P]

Is this a dirty windshield, or a bent frame? Is CRPA savable, or irredeemably busted? It appears that they have a membership who apparently won't hold them accountable in addition to a governance structure that makes that difficult. So the ones who are interested in holding them accountable are voting with their feet, which just leaves a larger fraction who aren't.

I understand what you're saying. Sure, there's an awesome amount of potential in an organization that big, and it could be a force to be reckoned with for Second Amendment rights if it only had leadership with the vision and competence. But you know what? "If only" is just that: hypothetical, contrary to fact. We wouldn't even need to have this discussion "if only" the anti-gun crowd would wake up tomorrow morning and see the error of their ways.

I can't predict the future. Maybe this is the best strategy. But fighting a natural ally, or even a friendly neutral, when we have large and powerful enemies is rarely a smart move.

The fact that your questioning going about this the easier (not easy) way tells you you don't grasp the scale here.

Have you or anyone you've ever known built a .org from the ground up with even 10,000 paying members, let alone 30,000+/-? What about building a political and legal network for legislation/litigation activities? Coordinating with massive NGOs? Dealing with the bureacracy of the legislature, courts, even the NRA?

This is beyond a large undertaking. CRPA has brand recognition in California too. Every gun store, the NRA, most LEA's have guys at the desk who know who they are. This is something that needs to be dealt with from within as Brandon is working on:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=578831

You should support this. My analogy was spot on. Here's another more epic but similar concept, which should help to convey the levels we are talking about:

America is not transparent in government. Citizens can be detained or even killed under executive order without due process. By whom doesn't matter. The fabric (Constitution) that holds our country in the shape of a once great republic of the people is broken. But it can be fixed through voting, activism and education.

That or a bunch of militants on a massive scale nationwide take over and re-figure out how to do most things. AKA revolution. Hint, revolution would be (logistically speaking) easier because you could use .govs' buildings and filing cabinets.

Now do you possibly start a civil war where the carnage is unimaginable (picture California's .gov running over your 2A rights COMPLETELY unchecked), or do you vote with your wallet, feet and hearts and minds and make a difference?

There is only a choice if you're a little nuts...

[greasemonkey]

If the CRPA can be fixed from within, I have hope for fixing CA from within!

Also, the thread you linked to is very important for people to read and follow.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=578831

The fact that your questioning going about this the easier (not easy) way tells you you don't grasp the scale here.

Have you or anyone you've ever known built a .org from the ground up with even 10,000 paying members, let alone 30,000+/-? What about building a political and legal network for legislation/litigation activities? Coordinating with massive NGOs? Dealing with the bureacracy of the legislature, courts, even the NRA?

This is beyond a large undertaking. CRPA has brand recognition in California too. Every gun store, the NRA, most LEA's have guys at the desk who know who they are. This is something that needs to be dealt with from within as Brandon is working on:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=578831

You should support this. My analogy was spot on. Here's another more epic but similar concept, which should help to convey the levels we are talking about:

America is not transparent in government. Citizens can be detained or even killed under executive order without due process. By whom doesn't matter. The fabric (Constitution) that holds our country in the shape of a once great republic of the people is broken. But it can be fixed through voting, activism and education.

That or a bunch of militants on a massive scale nationwide take over and re-figure out how to do most things. AKA revolution. Hint, revolution would be (logistically speaking) easier because you could use .govs' buildings and filing cabinets.

Now do you possibly start a civil war where the carnage is unimaginable (picture California's .gov running over your 2A rights COMPLETELY unchecked), or do you vote with your wallet, feet and hearts and minds and make a difference?

There is only a choice if you're a little nuts...