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  • #31
    CitaDeL
    Calguns Addict
    • May 2007
    • 5843

    Originally posted by hoffmang
    1. If it's not on the permit it's not a valid restriction so go with what is on your actual license.

    2. We are still in a pre-bear SCOTUS case world. In a post bear world things like this change dramatically.

    -Gene
    Reads as if there will be an appropriate time to reduce events resulting in revocation to only 'prohibited person' or 'residency'.

    I like it. But I wager it isnt as soon as I prefer.



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    • #32
      Liberty1
      Calguns Addict
      • Apr 2007
      • 5541

      Originally posted by CitaDeL
      ... I wager it isnt as soon as I prefer.
      . We prefer Vermont, which we won't see in our life time. But we're in the thick of the action. I wouldn' t want to be anywhere else!
      False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.
      -- Cesare Beccaria http://www.a-human-right.com/

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      • #33
        locosway
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        • Jun 2009
        • 11346

        Just about every mall has a "code of conduct" sign posted somewhere and I've yet to see one that doesn't specifically state "no weapons" which would include a firearm.
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        • #34
          Ron-Solo
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          • Jan 2009
          • 8581

          Originally posted by lawaia
          Actually, it does state "permit invalid if violated". I believe this means you could potentially be charged for carrying without a permit if you ignore the restriction.
          Playing devil's advocate here, I would have to agree with lawaia here.

          If the permit specifically states it is invalid in posted locations, it's like not having a permit at all.
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          • #35
            Big Ben
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2010
            • 723

            Originally posted by jb7706
            Here is a policy from a couple of years ago that has the not where signs prohibit language.

            I'll believe the restriction when I see it on a permit. I can't tell you how many times I have heard that the SO was doing this or that only to find it totally untrue. Rumors fly fast.

            Have you actually seen a permit with that restriction? I'm not being a wise guy, I'm honestly curious.
            Agreed. I saw the statement on the website prior to getting my permit, but it isn't listed as a restriction on my permit, nor have I heard of anyone else with it listed on their actual permit. The only restriction I've actually seen is the "not valid if consuming alcohol or remaining at any establishment that primarily serves alcohol."

            Standing by to see if they plan to start adding this restriction on the face of the permit.

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            • #36
              hoffmang
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              • Apr 2006
              • 18448

              Originally posted by Ron-Solo
              Playing devil's advocate here, I would have to agree with lawaia here.

              If the permit specifically states it is invalid in posted locations, it's like not having a permit at all.
              Originally posted by Big Ben
              Agreed. I saw the statement on the website prior to getting my permit, but it isn't listed as a restriction on my permit, nor have I heard of anyone else with it listed on their actual permit. The only restriction I've actually seen is the "not valid if consuming alcohol or remaining at any establishment that primarily serves alcohol."

              Standing by to see if they plan to start adding this restriction on the face of the permit.
              PC 26200 is clear.
              (a) A license issued pursuant to this article may include
              any reasonable restrictions or conditions that the issuing authority
              deems warranted, including restrictions as to the time, place,
              manner, and circumstances under which the licensee may carry a
              pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon
              the person.
              (b) Any restrictions imposed pursuant to subdivision (a) shall be
              indicated on any license issued.
              Legally speaking, the only time your permit is "invalid" is when you're violating a restriction on your license.

              -Gene
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              • #37
                notme92069
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2009
                • 856

                Originally posted by hoffmang
                PC 26200 is clear.


                Legally speaking, the only time your permit is "invalid" is when you're violating a restriction on your license.

                -Gene
                So, is it a permit or a licence?
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                • #38
                  jb7706
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 1570

                  Originally posted by notme92069
                  So, is it a permit or a licence?
                  PC 26150 refers to it as a license.

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                  • #39
                    ubet
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                    • Feb 2011
                    • 1557

                    Originally posted by notme92069
                    So, is it a permit or a licence?
                    Here in prk, its a privilege....

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                    • #40
                      CSDGuy
                      Veteran Member
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 3763

                      I got my License just about a year ago. I have only ONE restriction actually printed on my License, and it only deals with alcohol consumption and bars. The "conditions" referred to aren't...

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                      • #41
                        hoffmang
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 18448

                        Originally posted by notme92069
                        So, is it a permit or a licence?
                        It is a license. I make that mistake from time to time.

                        -Gene
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                        • #42
                          NorCalDustin
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 1463

                          This entire issue is simple to me.

                          Do not support any business or establishment that has the requirement of disarmament before entering.... That includes Cordova Shooting Center.
                          Originally posted by BannedinBritain
                          The only dumb question is the one you don't ask...and get arrested for later.

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                          • #43
                            locosway
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                            • Jun 2009
                            • 11346

                            Originally posted by NorCalDustin
                            This entire issue is simple to me.

                            Do not support any business or establishment that has the requirement of disarmament before entering.... That includes Cordova Shooting Center.
                            I wouldn't be able to go to work if this was the case...
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                            • #44
                              arfan66
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                              • Jan 2006
                              • 841

                              Originally posted by NorCalDustin
                              This entire issue is simple to me.

                              Do not support any business or establishment that has the requirement of disarmament before entering.... That includes Cordova Shooting Center.
                              ^^This^^ haven't been there in years...now i won't ever. However, I work at an airport so I don't have much choice either
                              Last edited by arfan66; 01-16-2012, 2:17 AM.

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                              • #45
                                scarville
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                                • Feb 2009
                                • 2325

                                Originally posted by notme92069
                                So, is it a permit or a licence?
                                What's the difference?
                                Politicians and criminals are moral twins separated only by legal fiction.

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