militarization of cifvilian police

[a90cal]

I think the article was written as a way to highlight the already underlying problems that divide us regular folk from the LEO's. The idea that a chosen profession has created a class of citizen with more rights should disgust anyone who cherishes equality. I have walked into many gunships and seen off duty LEO's buying guns I only wish I could have. The police union has fought for these special considerations from gun laws, limiting PI licenses, and different classes of felonies for assault. Cops quit being members of society and joined the ruling class along time ago! 364 days and counting!!!


I am here only to amuse you and insult your intelligence!

[The Shadow]

Is this a fancy way of saying you just view all cops as the same and screw them and the job they have to do along with their families? If you can't have a piece of equipment, no one else should, no matter the danger?

Find a LEA in California that will refuse to enforce gun laws that restrict a law abiding citizens RKBA, and I will gladly recant my statement. For that matter, find me a LEO who will refuse to enforce gun laws that restrict a citizens RKBA, and I will recant my statement. It's not LEO bashing if the statement is factually correct.

Brow beating a person by calling them a LEO basher is just a simple way of attempting to shut a person up. And just as unimaginative.

[Falconis]

@calipornya - yeah I kind of don't like prison or the idea of going to it. Of course my idea of giving it up is to ship it to another state where I have family.

@shadow - like you said, if the statement is factual ....

[Jason P]

@calipornya - yeah I kind of don't like prison or the idea of going to it. Of course my idea of giving it up is to ship it to another state where I have family.

@shadow - like you said, if the statement is factual ....

This is my home, for better or for worse until I can move on my terms. I'm not shipping anything anywhere, or giving up anything. I follow the laws and I won't be punished for it... I guess it's a matter of what you're willing to give up to remain free. Everyone probably has a different limit.

[Midian]

Odd. My post from this morning was deleted.

Oh wait...no, it isn't odd.

People don't want to hear that their beloved country, which used to have liberty as it's glorious center, is now steeped in the thirst for power and control...the direct opposite of what we fought for in 1776. They don't want to hear that the power apparatus attacks itself in order to blame its enemies and appear as the saviour to its people, while in the meantime generating huge blood profits for the very ruling class monsters that treat us like serfs. They don't want to hear that the president now has more dictatorial power than King George EVER did. They want to watch football, cheer as the US bombs brown people with predator drones, think political parties have their interests in mind, and get that sexy $25.00 discount on Black Goddamn Friday at 2:00 AM.

It's easier to grovel to the TSA at the airport, say "SIR" when you get pulled over, than to stand up for your inalienable rights, isn't it? It's a much shorter road to laugh at peaceful protesters getting pepper sprayed by bloated thugs, order a pizza to eat in the Costco parking lot while standing in line with a basket filled with low rent monkeygrub, or shrug and take boner pills because the aspartame has ruined your sex drive than to take a vested interest in the country in which your children will live. Douche puppet frontmen like Obama and Gingrich are malignant tumors that need to be removed from the corridors of power as we plough our way toward the real enemy: The Banking Cartel.

Gotta get them thar terrorists! They hate our freedoms! Better crack down on everyone here and let the Police be completely militarized! Don't be a chimp. This apparatus is POINTED STRAIGHT A YOU, AMERICAN GUN OWNER.

But most people just suck it up...as long as the debit card works and there's still plenty of corn syrup to pump into the baby formula, everything's cool. The system knows you're waking up, however, they know you feel the pinch of draconian policy, they know you inherently don't like seeing your daughters groped at the airport. But wave a flag, toss on some country music, have a couple stealth bombers fly over the stadium and whoo-hoo! Kickass! All is forgotten.Checkpoints. Airport groping. Black Uniforms. Body Scanners. Pepper Spray. Jeepers, honey, isn't that rascal Ryan Seacrest on tonight?

In closing, I believe most cops are actual Americans and will side with their oath to the Constitution. I believe most Military personnel are like this as well. There are a few nutjobs everywhere that love power and control...and it is THEY that serve the hegemony, and those are the ones of whom we must stay aware. We send brave studs out to the middle east toilets to fight and die, reducing our stash of needed alpha male blood, to serve the ruling elite, instead of keeping them here to confront these control freaks.


We are at a serious crossroads, my friends. A lot of you think Jesus is real--fine--so if that's the case I give you this: The only time he lost his marbles was when he threw the Moneychangers out of the Temple. He knew the ruling elite were dangerous. He didn't bow to tyranny. He grabbed his balls and told everyone what time it was. So, if the worst case scenario unfolds, and the Militarized Police decide not to stand with Liberty...on what side of history will YOU reside?

[Hunt]

those paying attention realize, we are now at the "end game" of the concept of individual Liberty. I have always agreed to Hunter S. Thompson when he said, "when **** run the country ***** rise to the top". It will be interesting to see what their plans for the future are.

[Shotgun Man]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...y-weapons.html

“I don’t see us as militarizing police; I see us as keeping abreast with society,” former Los Angeles Police chief William Bratton says. “And we are a gun-crazy society.”
really Chief? so do I understand correctly that only your LEOs can "keep abreast with society" and the rest of us that pay their way arent worth "keeping abreast with society?"

Great post.

Jerkoff Chief states that he equates society with the criminal element.

Any argument invoking facism, Hitler, etc., in describing the state of affairs would be ill-reasoned because we here in CA have surpassed that 10 times over.

[Fufodog]

I think the article was written as a way to highlight the already underlying problems that divide us regular folk from the LEO's.

Exactly! That's the issue. We recently learned that insider trading rules do not apply to Congress, thus they've enriched themselves while in office. If Congress had to obey the accounting laws like the citizens, they'd all be in jail. The issue is that we have one set of laws that apply to us citizen serfs and another set of laws that apply to government employees. That has to stop!

[vantec08]

Well said, Fufodog.

[Manic Moran]

Especially since the police are civilians. They should not be armed as a military or paramilitary force.

I don't know if it has a 'wedge-driving' effect or not. Instead of 'Police and Civilians', which, by my law dictionary, is incorrect, it should be more "public servants and private citizens", which is both more accurate, and seems to come across as more symbiotic/partnership.

NTM

[parb]

I sort of agree with the intention of the article (that the militarization of local police is bad)... but for a different reason.

I'm fine with our local police aquiring whatever weaponry they need to help them do their job (catching criminals). If we expect out officers to stop bank robbers with AKs (anyone remember hollywood?) then we should expect them to use their budget to acquire comparable, if not better, arms.

well i believe in the first rule in the lapd police manual:
Deadly Force Defense Standard - "An officer is equipped with a firearm to protect himself or others against the immediate threat of death or serious bodily injury

By that logic any member of society which isnt in a prohibited class should be allowed to equip themselves with exactly the same firearms to protect themselves. The US constitution applies exactly the same to any citizen in society and this nonsense about having one class of citizen with more rights than another class of citizens seems inconsistent with applying the laws equally across all citizens.

[L84CABO]

I have no issues with the police "arming up." They'd be foolish not to in this day and age. I'm from San Diego and I remember the day some nut job got ahold of a tank and tore through the city with it. LA riots, LA bank robbery, 911, shooting rampages on our college campuses...who knows what will be next. I want my police as prepared as they can be for whatever comes their way. And I want them to be able to go home to their families at night.

I'm much more concerned about how they use and apply those tools instead of the tools themselves. And I'm much more concerned about the rights we as citizens have...or don't have.

Peace

[1911_sfca]

Find a LEA in California that will refuse to enforce gun laws that restrict a law abiding citizens RKBA, and I will gladly recant my statement. For that matter, find me a LEO who will refuse to enforce gun laws that restrict a citizens RKBA, and I will recant my statement. It's not LEO bashing if the statement is factually correct.

Brow beating a person by calling them a LEO basher is just a simple way of attempting to shut a person up. And just as unimaginative.

Law enforcement agencies, in general, do not refuse to enforce the law. It might happen in edge cases every once in a while, but is not common. So asking someone to go find one that doesn't enforce a set of laws, as a rhetorical device, is kind of meaningless.

I can say from first-hand knowledge that most LEO's and a fair number of CLEOs are supportive of the individual RKBA. LEOs are allowed to possess and use numerous tools that the legislature has deemed dangerous weapons. Sir Robert Peele fathered modern policing with the notion that every citizen has the duty to keep order and protect the citizenry; it's just that LEOs are paid to do so on a regular schedule. This is still taught in police academies and is consistent with the patriotic mindset of most officers.

Batons, AWs, large capacity pepper spray/mace, large capacity magazines are some examples. If you really have a problem with that, talk to your government representatives. Cops don't make the laws.

[vantec08]

Law enforcement agencies, in general, do not refuse to enforce the law. It might happen in edge cases every once in a while, but is not common. So asking someone to go find one that doesn't enforce a set of laws, as a rhetorical device, is kind of meaningless.

I can say from first-hand knowledge that most LEO's and a fair number of CLEOs are supportive of the individual RKBA. LEOs are allowed to possess and use numerous tools that the legislature has deemed dangerous weapons. Sir Robert Peele fathered modern policing with the notion that every citizen has the duty to keep order and protect the citizenry; it's just that LEOs are paid to do so on a regular schedule. This is still taught in police academies and is consistent with the patriotic mindset of most officers.

Batons, AWs, large capacity pepper spray/mace, large capacity magazines are some examples. If you really have a problem with that, talk to your government representatives. Cops don't make the laws.

Indeed they dont. Nor are they serious about "protect the public" or THEY would be lobbying the politicos for CC. In its absence, it only means they want to enhance their safety, and we - the Great Unwashed - can take a flying leap. Police arent political?? give me a break . .. . .

[glbtrottr]

I've said it before and I will say it again...

It has nothing to do with the duties the badge carries with it or the equipment required to do the job. The militarization of police is entirely bad news.

I've had the military training, enjoyed my quality time at MOUT, served in combat. I and all of those who have served with me have never been asked to use lethal force against American citizens, short of declared identified jihadis in a different country.

Every day, law enforcement cuffs, hooks and books, arrests, serves warrants upon, sometimes shoots, and often kills American citizens... As well as legal and illegal immigrants, all under the argument of "enFORCING the law".

While some of us can afford 50 cals, armored trucks, Lenco Bears, military grade weaponry and/or have the skills to use these, it doesn't mean that it is right for LE to have access and willingness to use these weapons against private citizens while Joe neighbor is left defenseless. Of greater concern is he latest and greatest language of NDAA and "unprivileged enemy belligerent "...it just gets easier and easier for LEOs and soon even the military to bypass Posse commitatus altogether.

The civil war was nothing compared to what may be coming-the difference is the character of American citizens at large and the backbone they will carry in hopes of defending themselves against an increasingly oppressive government who no longer serves their interest.