Gov. Brown is no fool

[The Shadow]

I just gave you facts, there is nothing "what's up" as you put it.

What are those in "the know" on these issues telling you? Let me guess, once SCOTUS hears a few more RKBA cases then Sacramento will rush in the repeal of Roberti-Roos, the repeal of the suppressor ban, and the repeal of registration.

I'm simply staying focused on what Gene, Brandon, Don, Chuck, and Alan are saying. So do you think they're all wrong ?

But I guess you are right, having been involved in Rhode Island gun issues, and having done groundwork on organizing case law for NRA v Washington (with Gray Peterson) and Fletcher v Haas. I also got knife preemption off the ground in three states, where it is now law. But like you said, I'm definitely not in the know as I've never spent a day with a politician on a campaign or in their own office while shady backroom deals were going on.

Then you are apparently the lone pessimist among the group of people in the know who seem to disagree with you.

California now joins Hawaii, Virgin Islands, Guam, American Samoa, Northern Mariana's Islands, D.C, and Puerto Rico on long gun registration, no other state has statewide registration of rifles (the one's Roberti-Roos didn't ban) in 2014.

It's still two years away. A lot can happen in that time frame.

I guess it's all in Moonbeam's plan to help you guys?
Talk about the Stockholm Syndrome.

I never said that he would help. It's just that he hasn't hurt us either.

Lobbying would not hurt, why doesn't someone in the Sacramento Area offer to take some legislators to the range (not the die hard anti's)? It worked well in Rhode Island.

Does Rhode Island have "Shall Issue" ? I think not.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/rhodeisland.pdf

Rhode Island pretty much sounds like California.

http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/RISL.pdf

I understand that may take time away from some people who would rather complain to Gene that he hasn't come to "fix" their county regarding carry licenses.

Apparently you didn't learn much from your alleged exposure.

[Trailboss60]

BECAUSE THEY ARE A MINORITY WITH NO POWER. A REPUBLICAN CAN'T MOVE A BOWEL IN SACRAMENTO MUCH LESS A PRO-GUN BILL.

winner, winner, chicken dinner.

The current crop of legislators were well schooled at the feet of Willie Brown on how to run the legislature like the Cosa nostra.

[kblack583]

BECAUSE THEY ARE A MINORITY WITH NO POWER. A REPUBLICAN CAN'T MOVE A BOWEL IN SACRAMENTO MUCH LESS A PRO-GUN BILL.

Well put!!!

[Jared1981]

I'm simply staying focused on what Gene, Brandon, Don, Chuck, and Alan are saying. So do you think they're all wrong ?



Then you are apparently the lone pessimist among the group of people in the know who seem to disagree with you.



It's still two years away. A lot can happen in that time frame.



I never said that he would help. It's just that he hasn't hurt us either.



Does Rhode Island have "Shall Issue" ? I think not.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/rhodeisland.pdf

Rhode Island pretty much sounds like California.

http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/RISL.pdf

Apparently you didn't learn much from your alleged exposure.

Wrong on the facts again, Rhode Island 11-47-11 answers the shall issue question. The may issue statute is 11-47-18. There is also no high cap ban or AWB. Also, in RI, it is a FELONY for a government official to register firearms.

RI is nothing like CA.

So yes, I did learn quite a bit from my "exposure". You could as well if your RKBA efforts extended outside CALGUNS. You see, having a couple thousand posts on a forum doesn't count for anything, maybe if you have a couple thousand more, that would really show your crusader status.

Show me where Gene, Alan, or anyone is in direct conflict with what I said, you will not be able to because I'm not. I am less optimistic about the court battles... and having actual experience (unlike you I would presume) with helping with these things and seeing the outcome, I have good reason to be.

You are missing the point that the legislature is a VERY big problem for you, don't blame the messenger.

You are being delusional if you think Moonbeam helped you. Long gun registration... if that somehow helps the cause through some strategic chess court battle then wouldn't a complete ban on firearms do the same?

The Moonbeam apologists on this forum are insane, they sound no different than a battered crack whore from the Detroit area who has 10,000 excuses for the bruises on her because her baby-daddy isn't a bad guy.

It's not about who else could be governor or whatever else, as some people are eluding to...but to make excuses for an anti-gun politician is over the top and something that could only be possible in California.

[curtisfong]

BTW so much for Brown being "impervious" to public opinion since "he's not up for re-election".

Any way we can convince Brown that the perception of anti-gunners wrt to his gun-control stance is irrelevant?

[taperxz]

Wrong on the facts again, Rhode Island 11-47-11 answers the shall issue question. The may issue statute is 11-47-18. There is also no high cap ban or AWB. Also, in RI, it is a FELONY for a government official to register firearms.

RI is nothing like CA.

So yes, I did learn quite a bit from my "exposure". You could as well if your RKBA efforts extended outside CALGUNS. You see, having a couple thousand posts on a forum doesn't count for anything, maybe if you have a couple thousand more, that would really show your crusader status.

Show me where Gene, Alan, or anyone is in direct conflict with what I said, you will not be able to because I'm not. I am less optimistic about the court battles... and having actual experience (unlike you I would presume) with helping with these things and seeing the outcome, I have good reason to be.

You are missing the point that the legislature is a VERY big problem for you, don't blame the messenger.

You are being delusional if you think Moonbeam helped you. Long gun registration... if that somehow helps the cause through some strategic chess court battle then wouldn't a complete ban on firearms do the same?

The Moonbeam apologists on this forum are insane, they sound no different than a battered crack whore from the Detroit area who has 10,000 excuses for the bruises on her because her baby-daddy isn't a bad guy.

It's not about who else could be governor or whatever else, as some people are eluding to...but to make excuses for an anti-gun politician is over the top and something that could only be possible in California.

A lot of this is rhetoric, What everyone loses sight of is that there were in fact 600 bills. Rhode Island is not a fair comparison to CA as most states are not. California is like a country economically. Rhode Island is like a freaking county in CA.

The governor of this state has a lot more on his mind than 2A. IMHO he did give away things we wanted/didn't want to lose. However, as a politician he had get other things that may have been more important to the state right now than some of the fringe stuff he gave away.

What he gave away, i believe he gave away knowing that in the end the gun lobby could somewhat undo what he signed. Long gun registration, a likely repeal candidate via the courts. UOC, OK, There are a lot of people on this very forum that were against UOC to begin with and their opinions are their opinions and valid for not wanting a brother to carry an unloaded weapon, So JB felt the same way, which maybe in his opinion opens the door to LTC. He was a pretty friendly AG to gun owners. Personally IMHO one needs to look at things in an algebraic way here. Of course to some algebra makes no sense to some and they will never understand the big equation.

He certainly would not allow the legislature regulate our ammo!

[Jared1981]

A lot of this is rhetoric, What everyone loses sight of is that there were in fact 600 bills. Rhode Island is not a fair comparison to CA as most states are not. California is like a country economically. Rhode Island is like a freaking county in CA.

The governor of this state has a lot more on his mind than 2A. IMHO he did give away things we wanted/didn't want to lose.

Of course to some algebra makes no sense to some and they will never understand the big equation.

He certainly would not allow the legislature regulate our ammo!

The amount of bills he had to sign is irrelevant. He could have done what Gary Johnson did in New Mexico, which was veto bills. If the legislature thought that they could overwhelm him with bills at the end of the session, then he could have sent a message by vetoing a ton.

The size of California is irrelevant and it's a pathetic excuse. He has a staff, they could have organized bills and summarize what he wanted them to summarize.

There is no Algebra here. This is similar to the baby-daddy excuses. I'd bet my life that if he had a bill on his desk that would have disbanded state employee unions or a bill that would have privatized the state prisons that he would have found the time or resources to veto it.

I'm not saying the moonbat is a gun grabber, I am saying that it is very foolish to think that he is on our side and I'm willing to bet that long gun registration will stand in 2014. Anyone want to bet? I'll bet a Kimber.

[prod39]

Geriatric Clown was a worthless piece of excrement the first time in office
and,
He is worse this time.

[kblack583]

I'll bet Detroit crack whores and algebra have never been referenced in the same thread ever on this site!!!! You gotta love it!!!

[hoffmang]

Your on the front lines. Tell us why they haven't. Are you saying they don't support ou]r 2A rights?

They aren't willing to spend their political capital on 2A bills. You should call and ask your chief of staff or legislative aide at a Republican state legislator why they will not introduce pro-gun bills. You'll get a very political answer. If they say they will, tell them you'll have me or Ed Worley at NRA give them a call. Then you'll get a whole 'nother political bob and weave...

-Gene

[Skidmark]

BECAUSE THEY ARE A MINORITY WITH NO POWER. A REPUBLICAN CAN'T MOVE A BOWEL IN SACRAMENTO MUCH LESS A PRO-GUN BILL.

What do you mean, no power?

The obdurate Republicans have held every budget hostage for years in this state, where a 2/3 majority is needed for any tax increases. They durn well have power, and they know it - and flex it.

[hoffmang]

What do you mean, no power?

The obdurate Republicans have held every budget hostage for years in this state, where a 2/3 majority is needed for any tax increases. They durn well have power, and they know it - and flex it.

That was last session. Redistricting looks like it stripped even this ability...

"Democracy" of one party creates Chicago...

-Gene

[diginit]

Gerry Brown is a chameleon of sorts. By signing the anti-gun bills he can pander to his base, while at the same time serve us up a beautiful pitch. It's up to us to take that pitch and knock it outta the park. There is a silver lining to that dark cloud. As Gene always says "chess, not checkers." I think the Governor plays chess too, and he's not sitting across from us.

Chameleon or snake? I gave him the benefit of the doubt until he signed the long gun reg. A total waste of money. Proven by other states and countries that tried it. Face it! He signed EVERY anti gun bill that would harm legal ownership. 809, 819, and 144...Waste of money or not, After promising he would not sign money wasting bills. He would have signed 427 too, But he knew better... I hope his and his sponsors' back pockets explode and blow their brains all over the seat...

[creekside]

They aren't willing to spend their political capital on 2A bills. You should call and ask your chief of staff or legislative aide at a Republican state legislator why they will not introduce pro-gun bills. You'll get a very political answer. If they say they will, tell them you'll have me or Ed Worley at NRA give them a call. Then you'll get a whole 'nother political bob and weave...

-Gene

Correct. If a member introduces something which has no prayer of passing, this is a distraction for their staff and a hit to their prestige. If a party supports a measure which has no prayer of passing, the same, only many-fold.

Which part of the Republican power base do you think they want to alienate to try (and usually fail) to get a gun bill passed? They are not going to hold up the budget over a guns bill.

This is the Legislature that passed a long gun registration bill, an open carry bill and an ammunition bill. Never forget this. Jerry ate most of the dinner that was set before him. We have theories on his motives for doing so, but at least he did not polish off his plate the way I believe Meg Whitman would have, and Kamala Harris certainly would.

The Republicans did register their protest but simply did not have the votes.

House vote AB 144, passed 46-29.

Democrats: 46 "Yes," 3 "No," 3 "No Vote"

Republicans: 26 "No," 2 "No Vote"

House vote AB 809, passed 44-2.

Democrats: 44 "Yes," 2 "No"
Republicans: 34 "No Vote" (walked off the floor as a body in protest)

If you want Gun Rights in California, don't vote for a Democratic Assembly member! It's really that simple.

[Zebra]

Reeps, Dems & 2A...

It's fairly obvious that froth at the mouth has become more important than advancing anything.

Carry on, Gents!

F.