Gov. Brown is no fool

[Jared1981]

It was already determined that UOC was already an option by law in the state though. This case was purely a loaded concealed carry case. The second amendment right was not addressed as it pertained to Peruta because the state offered him an alternate method of carry a firearm legally. Just not loaded. Now that that is no longer available, the state must offer a way to be able to carry for self defense.

Not at all. Peruta and Richards were District Court Rulings, they are not binding precedent. If the two hacks (I mean judges) wanted to take the matter seriously, they would have seen that Heller mentioned the right to arms included the right to a fully functional firearm, an unloaded firearm is not fully functional by definition.

[taperxz]

Not at all. Peruta and Richards were District Court Rulings, they are not binding precedent. If the two hacks (I mean judges) wanted to take the matter seriously, they would have seen that Heller mentioned the right to arms included the right to a fully functional firearm, an unloaded firearm is not fully functional by definition.

I understand what you are saying, point being though that when Richards hits the 9th, what Judge England said about Peruta, and carry, WILL have to be taken into consideration. Richards in the 9th will be a FULL review of the entire case.

[DannyInSoCal]

Does anyone else find it strange that NOTHING ever happens to diminish our fight for LTC...?

"Every" asinine anti-2A legislation seems to hide a magical "silver lining" twist.

If anyone thinks outlawing UOC is somehow the secret to LTC success -

You are obviously delusional in thinking that actual common sense applies to Kalifornistan legislation.

I can easily see how in a few months - Some liberal judge spouts off about the "only in your home" as an answer to the UOC ban and continued LTC denials...

[santamonica9]

So since Gov. J.Brown signed in NO UnloadedOpenCarry of handguns, can I sling my 12g over my shoulder and walk around to defend myself b/c I cant keep a police officer in my pocket???

I pray CA becomes a Shall Issue - here in Los Angeles we are stuck with Sherif Baca who denies most their rights. just look at the numbers

[wildhawker]

Lobbying would not hurt, why doesn't someone in the Sacramento Area offer to take some legislators to the range (not the die hard anti's)? It worked well in Rhode Island.

We have a great team of professional and grassroots legislative liaisons. No amount of lobbying will repeal a ban or secure our right to bear arms.

SCOTUS and CA9 decisions will give us the precedent we need to seek injunctive relief.

-Brandon

[wildhawker]

You're letting emotions cloud your ability to view the field. Take a deep breath and look a few layers beyond today.

-Brandon

Does anyone else find it strange that NOTHING ever happens to diminish our fight for LTC...?

"Every" asinine anti-2A legislation seems to hide a magical "silver lining" twist.

If anyone thinks outlawing UOC is somehow the secret to LTC success -

You are obviously delusional in thinking that actual common sense applies to Kalifornistan legislation.

I can easily see how in a few months - Some liberal judge spouts off about the "only in your home" as an answer to the UOC ban and continued LTC denials...

[kblack583]

So every Republican has our 2A back? I doubt it. RKBA haters come in all shapes and political party sizes. Though I would agree that the Dem's seem to have more of them, but the Repub's aren't completely guilt free either. It seems like the entire political structure of this state is down on 2A. I don't get it myself.

Never said every Republican has our 2A back. The majority of the Republican party does support our 2A rights and the majority of the Democrats don't. This is pretty cut and dry.

Original comments were targeted at those justifying Browns actions by speculating what Meg would have done worse. Its the old "What about" argument that is used to deflect from a weak postition with no real defense.

Your comment that the entire state structure is is down on 2A rights is spot on. Its a Democratic state!!! Republican officials have no real chance of moving any substantial pro-2A legistlation through the process. Whether we want to admit it or not, Brown in office only helps to perpetuate and solidify the Democratic base which only hurts our cause even more. Wonder if there will be a Republican candidate bad enough for some to justify Gavin Newsom's actions when he is running the state.

[OleCuss]

I would agree that the majority of Republican leadership supports the RBKA whereas the majority of Democrat leadership opposes the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

Our fight for our civil rights needs every friend it can get. It is important to make those with even an interest in the fight for our rights to feel welcome no matter what political party they may belong to, what country they were born in, what church they may go to, etc.

A friend is a friend.

[ja308]

as will thinking this is a den vs rep issue.

simply being a republican does NOT make one a friend of the 2nd. thinking that it does has done more harm then good. Since 1983 there have been 4 govenors, 3 R, 1 D. Of those 3, 2 did as much damage to your RKBA as did the 1 democrat, Davis. So far, while not ideal by any means, Gov Brown hasn't done any significant damage and maybe even (intentional or not. open to debate I guess) done us some "favors". But regardless he hasn't done any significant damage to your RKBAs. So far a lot less than George Deukmejian and Arnold Schwarzenegger did. and they were both Republican.

This isn't a party issue, it's a Civil Rights issue. please treat it as such and stop making it a party issue. personally I want to win. Don't you?

Suggest you google democratic party platform 2008 and republican party platform 2008 .
The written word may help you decide whether your statements are valid.
respectfully

[ja308]

as will thinking this is a den vs rep issue.

simply being a republican does NOT make one a friend of the 2nd. thinking that it does has done more harm then good. Since 1983 there have been 4 govenors, 3 R, 1 D. Of those 3, 2 did as much damage to your RKBA as did the 1 democrat, Davis. So far, while not ideal by any means, Gov Brown hasn't done any significant damage and maybe even (intentional or not. open to debate I guess) done us some "favors". But regardless he hasn't done any significant damage to your RKBAs. So far a lot less than George Deukmejian and Arnold Schwarzenegger did. and they were both Republican.

This isn't a party issue, it's a Civil Rights issue. please treat it as such and stop making it a party issue. personally I want to win. Don't you?

According to Gunowners of california --the Cal Senate has 2 democrats with A ratings. they have 12 with F rating.

republican's have 11 --A rated and 0 - F

So if you want to win -- the choice seems obvious .
You can get democrats to change by working against them or vote republican .

I was a democrat --probably before you were born -- they had ZERO respect for my gun rights --- after several letters. I changed party affiliation and work very hard in the primaries to get pro gun candidates .

Further nearly every state controlled by democrats is anti gun . NY-Illinois-CT etc .

[hoffmang]

According to Gunowners of california --the Cal Senate has 2 democrats with A ratings. they have 12 with F rating.

republican's have 11 --A rated and 0 - F

So if you want to win -- the choice seems obvious .

Snrk.

Name me a California A rated Republican sponsored gun bill that got out of it's first committee in the last 2 years. Heck, for that matter show me which "A" rated Reep even sponsored a pro-gun bill...



-Gene

[MrExel17]

"Time will tell"

I agree

[ZX-10R]

Serves Ca RIGHT. This state deserves what it gets. Vote democrats in...CA you are silly.

[kblack583]

Snrk.

Name me a California A rated Republican sponsored gun bill that got out of it's first committee in the last 2 years. Heck, for that matter show me which "A" rated Reep even sponsored a pro-gun bill...



-Gene

Your on the front lines. Tell us why they haven't. Are you saying they don't support ou]r 2A rights?

[dantodd]

Your on the front lines. Tell us why they haven't. Are you saying they don't support ou]r 2A rights?

BECAUSE THEY ARE A MINORITY WITH NO POWER. A REPUBLICAN CAN'T MOVE A BOWEL IN SACRAMENTO MUCH LESS A PRO-GUN BILL.