Gov Brown's Newsroom - Check for Vetoes

[Blaze Kenobi]

We should all still carry Pistol Holsters just so we can screw with the heads of these liberal fascist Kommifornians and LEO's that agree with the new law and think that this is a game where they are the only ones to be able to posses handguns strapped to their hips. I bet we can get at least one incident where paranoid Libs/Leos arrest a person for not being able to find a gun and "endangering the public by a blatant display of a holster to intimidate and rustle the feathers of people, thinking that we were going to go away!" Who lives close to Sac and is willing to walk into the gov office strapping a Holsters to your hips? They would pee in their pants asking dumbfounded " Why didn't the law work, they are still here?" Don't you agree?

[wildhawker]

The state took a big step backwards yesterday. Everyone who believes in civil rights now needs to take a big step forward.

Timelines? Sorry, I spent too long in the military. There is no plan which survives contact with the enemy. It just doesn't work that way.

Even as a kid I can remember studying the Battle of El Alamein. It's a bit simplistic, but Rommel sort of lost by winning. In his case it was because he effectively advanced so far that his supply train was too long. Net effect was that he could not re-supply as could the Allies - and the fact that he had advanced to the point where the Allies would dominate the air meant that his problem was all the more acute. He also could not beat a strategic retreat.

Some similarities are being exhibited by our opponents. They are over-reaching and it is our duty to ensure the defeat they have invited.

And for a more general statement? No war was ever won by virtue of its commanders and men looking for all the ways they are being hurt. You win by locating the vulnerabilities of the OPFOR, choose the terrain and time to exploit those vulnerabilities and then attack!

Defeat is not the key. Victory is the key.

Give me an opponent who is staring into the jaws of defeat, please! The opponent who has seen that he is defeated isn't even going to bother fighting.

And if I have a soldier who is defeatist I want to send him/her elsewhere. If I'm the commander I want soldiers who are looking at all the ways they are going to defeat the enemy. I need people who may not relish the fight but who are committed to vanquishing the foe.

-Brandon

[Caladain]

We should all still carry Pistol Holsters just so we can screw with the heads of these liberal fascist Kommifornians and LEO's that agree with the new law and think that this is a game where they are the only ones to be able to posses handguns strapped to their hips. I bet we can get at least one incident where paranoid Libs/Leos arrest a person for not being able to find a gun and "endangering the public by a blatant display of a holster to intimidate and rustle the feathers of people, thinking that we were going to go away!" Who lives close to Sac and is willing to walk into the gov office strapping a Holsters to your hips? They would pee in their pants asking dumbfounded " Why didn't the law work, they are still here?" Don't you agree?

No, we don't agree.

What *possible* goal would such an action have? Stop being a spoiled child and act like a man.

[morfeeis]

We should all still carry Pistol Holsters just so we can screw with the heads of these liberal fascist Kommifornians and LEO's that agree with the new law and think that this is a game where they are the only ones to be able to posses handguns strapped to their hips. I bet we can get at least one incident where paranoid Libs/Leos arrest a person for not being able to find a gun and "endangering the public by a blatant display of a holster to intimidate and rustle the feathers of people, thinking that we were going to go away!" Who lives close to Sac and is willing to walk into the gov office strapping a Holsters to your hips? They would pee in their pants asking dumbfounded " Why didn't the law work, they are still here?" Don't you agree?

Sounds like a good way to get shot.......

[smt77]

If Brown had signed SB427, wouldn't it have made it easier for the state to win its appeal on AB 962? It seems to me that if Brown had signed it, the state could then argue that due to new legislation, the unconstitutional vagueness no longer applies and the trial court's ruling would be moot. With the veto of the new law, AB 962 will now have to fail or stand on its own two feet and remains vague.

[Shrubmaster]

I thought we a right to bare arms..... guess not, figures, just look at his second in command, about as radical as they come.

[Liberty1]

That never even crossed my mind, anyone have any word on this?

All the federal law provides for is carry in Dept. Of The Interior lands is according to state law. One may still UOC AND LOC anywhere 12031 is not in effect.

[loose_electron]

No dancing in the streets with joy that SB-610 passed?

Even the NRA sees that as a good thing.

[OleCuss]

If Brown had signed SB427, wouldn't it have made it easier for the state to win its appeal on AB 962? It seems to me that if Brown had signed it, the state could then argue that due to new legislation, the unconstitutional vagueness no longer applies and the trial court's ruling would be moot. With the veto of the new law, AB 962 will now have to fail or stand on its own two feet and remains vague.

Let's see. . . Assuming your theory were correct, the lower court ruling would be mooted and the amended AB962 would now be in force. That means that all the ammo bans would be in effect and we'd have to start again on the FAAAA case. While that case is likely to work, we don't have standing until after or rights have been violated.

This is much better. The ammo ban may not be completely dead, but it is on life support and last rites are being administered.

[morfeeis]

All the federal law provides for is carry in Dept. Of The Interior lands is according to state law. One may still UOC AND LOC anywhere 12031 is not in effect.

Sweet now what about BLM land?

[Blaze Kenobi]

To Morfeeis & CALADAIN:

Sounds like a good way to get shot....... IS your response. It seems that you are a perfect example of the brainwashing that has gone on in this state. Where in my comment did I ever describe a threating action to take while having the holster in your hip? It is that type of mentality that covers the mind of most politicians and residents of this state. Without describing how I would even be dressed seems to not matter because to you it seems a good way to get shot? Exactly my point. Most LEOs think that way.

But if it was a right to carry openly before it seems that it does not matter because now just carrying a holsters evokes two negative responses from fellow Cal Gunners, one called me a child and to act like a man, one sees me getting shot! If this is what most of the Calgunners agree with, then you are your own answer to the problems. You think still think negatively about exercising your freedom to bear a holster let alone arms because one thinks it's being a spoiled child and one would not do it for fear of getting shot.

I just wanted to prove that the mass psychosis is still there and the politicians that wrote this law will not sleep because there are still people like me that have the "balls" to wear a holster and that "Scares" them. That makes people think that you are "childish" and it makes some men without knowing show their fear of getting SHOT not by a criminal but by a COP.

There are non calgunners that may see you enter a shooting range and that fear of guns enters their mind again. There are cops out there that if they see a a NRA decal in your car will entertain the thought of stopping you to see if you are carrying and if so what are you carring and if it is legal.

That is being brainwashed and many that think that you are not part of the problem you are living in a dreamworld. The politicians will continue enacting laws and be open about it because they know that most people that support gun laws only donate to their cause behind the veil of a credit card and hang out in a forum keeping their hairy *** from being shot because they don't have the balls to even PUT ON A HOLSTER or put themselves out there and EXERCISE their rights.

I can be banned from CALGUNS for speaking my mind if one of these two have any weight in here, but I live in the real world OUT there where chair jockeys don't exist, where I am changing the mentality of the sheeple (or scaring them since the are related to sheep) and I will not get caught in a situation with a criminal that does not care about the laws and thinks that my life is expendable like my CALGUN name handle is.

[HK4113]

But if it was a right to carry openly before it seems that it does not matter because now just carrying a holsters evokes two negative responses from fellow Cal Gunners, one called me a child and to act like a man, one sees me getting shot! If this is what most of the Calgunners agree with, then you are your own answer to the problems. You think still think negatively about exercising your freedom to bear a holster let alone arms because one thinks it's being a spoiled child and one would not do it for fear of getting shot.

I just wanted to prove that the mass psychosis is still there and the politicians that wrote this law will not sleep because there are still people like me that have the "balls" to wear a holster and that "Scares" them. That makes people think that you are "childish" and it makes some men without knowing show their fear of getting SHOT not by a criminal but by a COP.

I work at a gun range and have seen my fair share of open carriers. More than half of them have no concept of the laws regarding open carry, and furthermore have not even the most basic grasp on safe gun handling skills.

Example that happened on Saturday. Guy comes in brandishing a cocked 1911 closed slide magazine in the magwell and points it at my chest stating he wanted to shoot while I grabbed the gun out of his hand.

While I berated him for all of the above, he stated that he was "open carrying" and it was a right (not in our business its not). If thats not a good way to get shot by either me, or the police that see him walking down the street with a 1911 in his hand, then I don't know what is.

From my observation the majority of the OC movement is full of amateurs ignorant of the law and people who are overtly aggressive and in your face (not good for PR). This combination is what killed the movement.

[Liberty1]

Sweet now what about BLM land?

Dept. of the Int.=BLM/NP The tricky part is knowing with certainty where 12031 is NOT in force.

[Blaze Kenobi]

I Hear you HK, There are some really dumb asses out there. But that should not prevent you from exercising your rights! If somebody was openly carrying a pistol and did not empower themselves with the right knowledge to keep themselves safe or others them I think it is a natural process of elimination and that person will be at fault if they get shot. BUT, that should not affect you, but politicians thinks that it should and it is wrong!!!!

I come across people that do not know how to drive and are dangerous and I have to be focused at all times and anticipate their mistakes but my type of mentality has kept me a perfect driver all of my life! The other option would be not to drive? I see people in the mountains when I go hiking, with no knowledge or equipment if they were to needed in an emergency.

If politicians and the general public have a stigma over guns and the people that want to exercise their rights in a safe way do not have the "Balls" again to do it then the battle is over and we should RENAME Calgun to Calnone. I am all about sensible laws like respecting the ones that you have in your establishment but you know there are dumb asses in all walks of life so your other option would be not to work there? What kind of life is that?

[Liberty1]

I work at a gun range and have seen my fair share of open carriers. More than half of them have no concept of the laws regarding open carry, and furthermore have not even the most basic grasp on safe gun handling skills.

Example that happened on Saturday. Guy comes in brandishing a cocked 1911 closed slide magazine in the magwell and points it at my chest stating he wanted to shoot while I grabbed the gun out of his hand.

While I berated him for all of the above, he stated that he was "open carrying...

That is called brandishing and it is not lawful open carry regardless of what he called it. And that has not been my experience with open carriers in this state or any other.