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  • #16
    morrcarr67
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Jul 2010
    • 14944

    Originally posted by ke6guj
    but if it won't make the 7.5" length for a SA revolver, it won't make the 10.5" OAL required for a single-shot pistol, let alone have the 6" barrel required. Unless you are planning on doing something with teh barrel as well.



    12133(b) The provisions of this chapter shall not apply to a single-shot pistol with a barrel length of not less than six inches and that has an overall length of at least 10 1/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are assembled
    Damn it Jack you beat me to it again.
    Yes you can have 2 C&R 03 FFL's; 1 in California and 1 in a different state.

    Originally posted by Erion929

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    • #17
      bwiese
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Oct 2005
      • 27621

      Originally posted by 1JimMarch
      Let's say you want to bring in an off-list *snubbie* revolver. It doesn't make the 7.5" length cutoff for single action revolvers.

      What do you do?

      Answer: you take the stock cylinder out. You find the same kind of cylinder that's either junky in some way (rust issues?) or was kaboomed in another gun. Two or three chambers of the latter are blown the hell up. Fine. Take a Dremel, modify the cylinder so there's just one chamber.

      Bolt it into the gun. Boom. Single-shot conversion. Ship the original good cylinder later.

      This is the only way to bring in an off-list micro-type wheelgun...

      WRONG. PLEASE STOP. DO NOT PASS GO...

      The 12133PC exemption for single shot pistols has WORSE dimensional requirements (6"/10.5") than for single-action revolvers (3"/7.5").

      So you're jumping from the frying pan to the fire.

      Snubby revolvers somehow need lenghthening thru barrel extension, which is difficult costly or near-impossible (i.e, not worth the value proposition).

      This warning I posted furthermore is that a blocked cylinder that still rotates may well allow the gun to still be considered a revolver - esp as we have the Ruger Hawkeye nonrevolver establishing a bit of a standard for a nonrevolver (albeit already single-action).

      Nobody knows how this might be perceived via expert testimony. By contrast single-action revolver conversion has a factory exemplar (S&W model 14-3) and documentation of single-action functionality. And single-shot pistols have topological brethren in various configurations too.

      If a revolver needs to turn into a single shot pistol it will require lockwork changes to not rotate the cylinder plus some kinda single-shot mangled cylinder. Spare cylinders to mangle are expensive, and the gun must be safe to shoot - installation of a new cylinder often requires gunsmith fitment to ensure proper chamber/bore alignment. THIS IS NONTRIVIAL WORK.

      All the existing Roster exemption recipes are tried and true and thought out, and people who don't know WTF they're talking about are adding risk to the situation, for no good reason anyway. If you have a pistol, single-shot it and make it dimensionally compliant before and thru DROS. If you have a revolver, ensure it's dimensionally compliant and convert it to single-action before and thru DROS. Snubby revolvers are gonna be a problem without a barrel insert/swap.
      Last edited by bwiese; 08-09-2011, 8:22 AM.

      Bill Wiese
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      • #18
        wash
        Calguns Addict
        • Aug 2007
        • 9011

        To clear up Monk's confusion. Once the pistol/revolver is legally transferred to you (DROS), you can do whatever you want to the gun.

        What we don't want people to do is mix up their exemptions and leave a lot of illegal transfers in some poor FFL's books.
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        Originally posted by oaklander
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        You suck!!! Your are wrong!!! Stop it!!!
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        • #19
          bwiese
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Oct 2005
          • 27621

          Originally posted by wash
          To clear up Monk's confusion. Once the pistol/revolver is legally transferred to you (DROS), you can do whatever you want to the gun.

          What we don't want people to do is mix up their exemptions and leave a lot of illegal transfers in some poor FFL's books.
          Thank you.

          I will add: if you are being asked by an 'authority' about the nature of timing and style of the Roster exemption status of your gun, please say nothing and contact CGF.

          Bill Wiese
          San Jose, CA

          CGF Board Member / NRA Benefactor Life Member / CRPA life member
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          legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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