Yo!...Is this thing Legal???

[neal0124]

I've been looking for one of those for a long time (to keep in reno)... very cool toy... probably one of the only 'quick fire' things that actually works...

if you play paintball you're already used to the trigger style...

I was going to say it looks like an auto-response trigger for a marker.

[1JimMarch]

I think you want to get that the hell out of California and THEN look at selling it on the collector's market.

[Meplat]

Most of these gimmicks are even less accurate than ordinary full auto fire. About as useful as a string of fire crackers. Only hits count.

[Anchors]

Probably illegal federally. One bullet per trigger pull.

Yeah, I could have sworn since it is a "device that manipulates the trigger to fire more than one round per trigger pull" that it would be federally illegal.
Only way to be sure it to write ATF, they okayed the Bump-Stocks.

I see that you saw it and didn't buy it. I would buy it and get it out of state ASAP.
As others have said it might be worth something on the collector market if legal (or as a fun toy to keep out of state if legal).

[Meplat]

I think you want to get that the hell out of California and THEN look at selling it on the collector's market.

I think it may be legal to posses if not attached to a firearm due to CA's position on constructive possession, but I would not offer it for sale within the state.

P.S. I can loan you a cutting tourch.

[devilinblack]

Definitely illegal in California. California does not allow any type of device to be attached to the trigger to allow for simulated full auto. Even a rubber band (Poor Man's Machinegun) is illegal.

Care to cite PC regarding this?

[JagerTroop]

Care to cite PC regarding this?

See post#6

12020. (a) Any person in this state who does any of the following
is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year
or in the state prison: (1) Manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the
state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives,
lends, or possesses [redacted] any multiburst
trigger activator

(23) As used in this section, a "multiburst trigger activator"
means one of the following devices:
(A) A device designed or redesigned to be attached to a
semiautomatic firearm which allows the firearm to discharge two or
more shots in a burst by activating the device.(B) A manual or power-driven trigger activating device constructed
and designed so that when attached to a semiautomatic firearm it
increases the rate of fire of that firearm.

[supersonic]

How, exactly, could anyone put up a convincing argument that an actual rubber band was designed for such a purpose?

[jidokenju]

How, exactly, could anyone put up a convincing argument that an actual rubber band was designed for such a purpose?

I am not a lawyer, but couldn't the "or redesigned" part be construed that way?

[JeffM]

How, exactly, could anyone put up a convincing argument that an actual rubber band was designed for such a purpose?

I am not a lawyer, but couldn't the "or redesigned" part be construed that way?

Yup. Any item used to make a firearm fire more than one shot automatically per pull of the trigger has been "redesigned" for the purpose by the user.

Classic example: ATF ruled that a shoestring was in fact the machine gun when it was attached to a Garand rifle to cause full auto fire.

[Shady]

WOW my step dad had these on his ar's when I was a wee lad

[Mac Attack]

Man I must be old because I remember those multi Firing adapters.

[supersonic]

I am not a lawyer, but couldn't the "or redesigned" part be construed that way?

Yup. Any item used to make a firearm fire more than one shot automatically per pull of the trigger has been "redesigned" for the purpose by the user.

Classic example: ATF ruled that a shoestring was in fact the machine gun when it was attached to a Garand rifle to cause full auto fire.

Well, even to "redesign" the rubberband, it would, seemingly, have to be changed from its original design (i.e. altered). And I've heard of the shoestring = machinegun thing, but can anyone point out any cases that actually involve an individual being prosecuted/convicted in a court of law for using a rubberband to aid in bumpfiring? I guess my original post should have been worded differently. Something like "How can the person responsible for signing a bill into law be retarded enough to buy such BS?" (I'd still like to see some type of proof that a rubberband wrapped around the trigger of a firearm resulted in an actual arrest)

[cdtx2001]

Sounds like shoestrings and rubber bands will be the next things to be banned in this nanny state.

[jidokenju]

Well, even to "redesign" the rubberband, it would, seemingly, have to be changed from its original design (i.e. altered).

Again, I'm not a lawyer, but I tried to read it backwards ("I'm pretty sure that this has been construed to ban the rubber band thing, where could that be in there?"). I guess that you could, by being sufficiently loose with your definition of redesign, construe any case of using a rubber band for anything beyond its intended purpose a "redesign." I'm not sure thats sensible, but I sorta kinda see it if your goal is to read every gun law to minimize the freedom of gun owners and maximize the scope of violations.

I guess my original post should have been worded differently. Something like "How can the person responsible for signing a bill into law be retarded enough to buy such BS?"

The problem you're having here, I think, is that you assume these people read and think about what they vote on or sign...