Yo!...Is this thing Legal???

[Beelzy]

Saw this at a Estate sale and took a pic. From the paperwork on it, it looks to
be a device for an AR to fire when pulling the trigger AND when the trigger goes
forward. Two for one type rate of fire??

It looks like it's over 20yrs old and has some paperwork saying it's legal. But, is this oddity legal to own in California??

Inquiring minds want to know.

[dantodd]

Probably illegal federally. One bullet per trigger pull.

[wash]

Does the paperwork mention a name?

[JagerTroop]

Definitely illegal in California. California does not allow any type of device to be attached to the trigger to allow for simulated full auto. Even a rubber band (Poor Man's Machinegun) is illegal. Federaly, it may or may not be legal. There were several devices that were deemed legal by ATF, then later ruled illegal (accelerator stock). You would need current paperwork, stating that it's legal. 25 years ago, many things were legal that are illegal now.

[Lost]

Looks to me like something to aid someone in shooting that is missing some fingers or has arthritis or something.

Of course I've never seen anything like that, but it doesn't appear to me to fire a round when re-setting the trigger. Looks like it just aids trigger pull.

[lorax3]

If the manual is true, CA would say it's a "multiburst trigger activator". CA isn't a fan of things that increase your rate of fire.

12020. (a) Any person in this state who does any of the following
is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year
or in the state prison: (1) Manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the
state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives,
lends, or possesses [redacted] any multiburst
trigger activator

(23) As used in this section, a "multiburst trigger activator"
means one of the following devices:
(A) A device designed or redesigned to be attached to a
semiautomatic firearm which allows the firearm to discharge two or
more shots in a burst by activating the device.
(B) A manual or power-driven trigger activating device constructed
and designed so that when attached to a semiautomatic firearm it
increases the rate of fire of that firearm.

[rero360]

I thought those triggers that fired the gun, once on pulling the trigger and once for releasing it, were legal in that it was a single round fired per individual movement of the trigger but never caught on as its pretty pointless and impractical.

that is to say, on the federal level, I don't know jack about the cali laws regarding this sort of stuff.

[stix213]

I thought those triggers that fired the gun, once on pulling the trigger and once for releasing it, were legal in that it was a single round fired per individual movement of the trigger but never caught on as its pretty pointless and impractical.

that is to say, on the federal level, I don't know jack about the cali laws regarding this sort of stuff.

This was my understanding as well, since each action of your finger still only results in one round fired. This device does not result in burst fire. This thing looks a little too lame for me to look into it further.

[b.faust]

I've only seen one of those in the ar-15 sourcebook. It was called "The Ultimate" apparently.
And when it was in production says here it sold for about $130

I'm sure it's probably illegal here in CA, but you might be sitting on a rather valuable collectors item.

[IrishPirate]

looks like something that's not worth messing around with. I don't really like the idea of bullets firing when i let go of the trigger....just sounds completely wrong to me. That and possibly losing my gun rights over it make it very unattractive

[AJAX22]

I've been looking for one of those for a long time (to keep in reno)... very cool toy... probably one of the only 'quick fire' things that actually works...

if you play paintball you're already used to the trigger style...

[b.faust]

Here's what "The Complete AR-15/m16 Sourcebook" says about it:

"A similar mechanism is the Ultimate, which consists of a pistol grip that replaced the standard grip. Once in place, a long lever on the unit is cycled by the shooter's fingers, causing the trigger to be tripped by a small cam in the mechanism both when pulled and pushed, firing two shots during the time one normally takes place. By cycling the lever quickly, short bursts can be fired. The Ultimate originally sold for $130 but is now out of production."
(Page 305)

[ocspeedracer]

Pretty sure it doesn't meet the multi-burst def, but I'm no lawyer.

[Some Guy]

lols @ thread title

[tuolumnejim]

Where is it, I've got a house in Nevada.