Yo!...Is this thing Legal???

[JagerTroop]

Again, I'm not a lawyer, but I tried to read it backwards ("I'm pretty sure that this has been construed to ban the rubber band thing, where could that be in there?"). I guess that you could, by being sufficiently loose with your definition of redesign, construe any case of using a rubber band for anything beyond its intended purpose a "redesign." I'm not sure thats sensible...

It's not that a rubber band is illegal. It's that it's illegal to apply it to a firearm in a manner that facilitates simulated full auto fire. When you attach it to the trigger, it becomes a "trigger device".

Sawzall blades are not illegal, however, if you manipulate them in a certain way, they become Lightning Links and are instantly an unregistered machinegun.

30rd mags are not illegal, however, if you attach one to a fixed magazine firearm, you just manufactured an assault weapon. Nothing was modified, and prior to the application of the mag to the weapon, they were both totally legal.

You need to understand that just because 2 or more items are legal(rifle & rubber band, rifle & 30rd mag, etc), doesn't mean that they remain legal when combined.

...but I sorta kinda see it if your goal is to read every gun law to minimize the freedom of gun owners and maximize the scope of violations.

I'm not reading this with the intent to minimize the freedom of gun owners, I'm reading it to minimize my time in prison (to none).

[supersonic]

The problem you're having here, I think, is that you assume these people read and think about what they vote on or sign...

Not at all. I know for a fact that these are individuals with outlandish ideas about problems that don't exist and that have an extremely limited level of intelligence. I was more making a statement (out of frustration) by asking a rhetorical question, than anything else.

I sorta kinda see it if your goal is to read every gun law to minimize the freedom of gun owners and maximize the scope of violations.

I think you are 100% correct in your assumption.

[jidokenju]

It's not that a rubber band is illegal. It's that it's illegal to apply it to a firearm in a manner that facilitates simulated full auto fire. When you attach it to the trigger, it becomes a "trigger device".

Sawzall blades are not illegal, however, if you manipulate them in a certain way, they become Lightning Links and are instantly an unregistered machinegun.

30rd mags are not illegal, however, if you attach one to a fixed magazine firearm, you just manufactured an assault weapon. Nothing was modified, and prior to the application of the mag to the weapon, they were both totally legal.

You need to understand that just because 2 or more items are legal(rifle & rubber band, rifle & 30rd mag, etc), doesn't mean that they remain legal when combined.



I'm not reading this with the intent to minimize the freedom of gun owners, I'm reading it to minimize my time in prison (to none).

I understand and I wasn't trying to make you out to be the bad guy here. I'm just complaining about a law that bans something as simple as a rubber band, even if it is only when it becomes a component in a poor man's machine gun. Based on how the law was written and how the state tends to read such laws, your reading is sensible. The law is not (IMHO).

[JagerTroop]

I understand and I wasn't trying to make you out to be the bad guy here. I'm just complaining about a law that bans something as simple as a rubber band, even if it is only when it becomes a component in a poor man's machine gun. Based on how the law was written and how the state tends to read such laws, your reading is sensible. The law is not (IMHO).

I totally agree with you.

It's a shame that this much discussion must go into the legalities of office supplies. LOL.

[jidokenju]

I hope we didn't just give someone any ideas. I'd hate to get back to Cali to find a waiting period for a stapler or something.

[bwiese]

The above posters that called this out as a PC 12020(c)(23) multiburst trigger activator are correct.

Note that the way the law is written, possession of the device is illegal intrinsically - whether or not it's attached to a gun, and whether or not you even own the matching gun (or even a gun).

Don't have one.
If you do find yourself having one, don't have one ASAP.

[jidokenju]

To be clear, Bweise, that only applies inside of California, correct?

[supersonic]

Don't have one.
If you do find yourself having one, don't have one ASAP.

LMMFAO!!!.....As per usual, Bill's advice will be taken to the bank by me (and anyone else who has common sense)........but that statement is still making me laugh my anus off (it just SOUNDS hilarious ; just SAY it out loud!)

[B Strong]

Legal on the Fed. level.

Illegal on the State level.

Junk everywhere.

[tenpercentfirearms]

(23) As used in this section, a "multiburst trigger activator"
means one of the following devices:
(A) A device designed or redesigned to be attached to a
semiautomatic firearm which allows the firearm to discharge two or
more shots in a burst by activating the device.(B) A manual or power-driven trigger activating device constructed
and designed so that when attached to a semiautomatic firearm it
increases the rate of fire of that firearm.

I am not exactly sure how this device works, but doesn't it shoot once when pulling the trigger and once when releasing the trigger? If that is the case, then is it discharging two shots when activating the device? If I can pull the trigger once and it fires, and then I can hold the trigger down and it won't shoot until I release, isn't that another trigger pull?

I am pretty sure that is why it is legal on the Federal level (I looked this up a long time ago) and my reading of the PC seems to indicate that activating the device requires two manipulations, thereby making it legal. I'm not a lawyer though nor do I play one on TV.

[jamesob]

it works like a paintball gun. two fingers can create more fire from tapping your two fingers.