Why can a CCW license be limited to certain weapons?

[wildhawker]

Sheriff can , does,will and should control and enforce all CCW issues in their county. Bottom line.

We'll have to agree to disagree. However, only one of us will prevail. Care to place a wager? I like scotch and steak.

[Gray Peterson]

Sheriff can , does,will and should control and enforce all CCW issues in their county. Bottom line.

A sheriff's only discretion is with good cause and good moral character, PERIOD. The rest of the statute, including the requirement to list guns on licenses, is a mandatory duty of the sheriff per Fiscal v. City/County of San Francisco. A sheriff may not deny you listing on any firearm that is, as defined in state code, "pistol, revolver, or other firearms capable of being concealed on the person". That truly is the bottom line. Your sheriff will follow the law. No "or else". Will.

You sound like a friend of your local sheriff. Well, do your friend a favor. Advise your friend of what happened to San Francisco when they broke the law by banning handguns in the home (they had to pay $350,000 to the NRA/CRPA/SAF in attorneys fees, plus paying for outside counsel and their own salaries, which all added up to over $800,000).

Ask him how many deputies he's going to have to lay off or how many vehicles he needs to sell out of his fleet in order to pay off the financial judgment in that amount.

Ventura is already being sued for Public Records Act violations, and state law compliance litigations will be filed against counties of CGF's choosing, all with attorney fees and court cost recovery. Just to repeat: Your sheriff will follow the law. No "or else". Will.

[nick]

I believe, but could be wrong, that CA and NV are the only two states that make you list the guns to be carried. I think in TX you qualify with either a revolver or semi-auto. If you qualify with an auto, you get revolver too.

I believe, only Clark County does this in NV.

[Curtis]

This is a perfect example of wht make, model, caliber shouldn't be limited.

To those who are ok with the idea that you have to list the guns, here is something to think about:

When I was 16 I took my DMV driver's test in my mother's '83 Ford LTD.
A few months later I bought my first car, a '76 Dodge Aspen. Did I have to retake my DL test in the Dodge? The answer is no. In the years since I have owned at least 15 different cars and trucks, and have driven many other vehicles that were owned by friends, reletives or employers. Except when I added motorcycles to my license, I did not have to add to, or change, my license. In adding motorcycles to my license, I added all motorcycles, not just my first street bike, an '85 Honda Sabre, but also any Harley, modern sport bike, or touring bike I choose.

Why would guns be different?

[CalNRA]

I am an LEO for almost 20 years.

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Sheriff can , does,will and should control and enforce all CCW issues in their county. Bottom line.

okay then. So much for the rank-and-file ones.

[Peter.Steele]

I must have a round in the chamber and if my pistol has a manual safety I SHALL NOT use it.

Wait, what? You're not allowed to use the manual safety?

So, for instance, they want you to carry Condition 0?!?!?!?!?!

How many ND's has your agency had?!?!?!?!

[383green]

Wait, what? You're not allowed to use the manual safety?

So, for instance, they want you to carry Condition 0?!?!?!?!?!

How many ND's has your agency had?!?!?!?!

I'm guessing that their list of approved weapons consists entirely of double-action-only pistols. This wouldn't be such a bright idea with a cocked hammer.

[$P-Ritch$]

I believe, only Clark County does this in NV.

I think you're right. The only difference with NV and CA is that in NV you only have to show proficiency with a particular model of semi auto. If you qualify with one G17 you are good to carry any G17, the SN does not matter. If you bought a new glock 17 to carry you would not have to requalify with it or have that one added to your permit. Then with revolvers, though, you qualify on one and you are qualified for all revolvers in existence.

[Honeydos]

Just to repeat: Your sheriff will follow the law. No "or else". Will.

Does anyone else smell that? Smells like....

[hoffmang]

Sheriff can , does,will and should control and enforce all CCW issues in their county. Bottom line.

Ask yourself whether the sheriff could require the same of parade permitees. If he couldn't enforce that on a parade, then he's not going to be able to enforce that on a carry permit.

-Gene

[ap3572001]

Wait, what? You're not allowed to use the manual safety?

So, for instance, they want you to carry Condition 0?!?!?!?!?!

How many ND's has your agency had?!?!?!?!

We do not train from condition 3 or with safety on.
If we did , it would be no problem.
Have You ever heard ," You fight how You train"?

I trained once with a couple of guys from Israeli Defense Forces.
They ALWAYS trained form condition 3. Loaded magazine /empty chamber.

[Liberty1]

If they can do it to their deputies , they CAN and WILL do it everyone else.

I see no problem with it .

So You understand this a little better, If I carry a pistol off duty that is NOT on our list, I am NOT breaking the law. Just just violating dept policy.

If a local Sheriff issues a permit to carry a firearm , He/She has a FULL right to have their own regulations. The same way as they do for their officers.

The SO has liabilities with their employees who have police powers 24/7. There is NO liability with license holders.

I can carry whatever I want off duty per LEOSA (destructive devices, MGs, & silencers excepted) dept. regs. notwithstanding.

[Gray Peterson]

So You understand this a little better, If I carry a pistol off duty that is NOT on our list, I am NOT breaking the law. Just just violating dept policy.

If a local Sheriff issues a permit to carry a firearm , He/She has a FULL right to have their own regulations. The same way as they do for their officers.

Those regulations are preempted by LEOSA. Any officer who is disciplined for carrying a "unapproved" gun off duty can sue in federal court under LEOSA to have that overturned.

[chewy352]

ap3572001

Is that you Sheriff Gore? If so see you on the 15th!!

[StuckInCA]

To those who are ok with the idea that you have to list the guns, here is something to think about:

When I was 16 I took my DMV driver's test in my mother's '83 Ford LTD.
A few months later I bought my first car, a '76 Dodge Aspen. Did I have to retake my DL test in the Dodge? The answer is no. In the years since I have owned at least 15 different cars and trucks, and have driven many other vehicles that were owned by friends, reletives or employers. Except when I added motorcycles to my license, I did not have to add to, or change, my license. In adding motorcycles to my license, I added all motorcycles, not just my first street bike, an '85 Honda Sabre, but also any Harley, modern sport bike, or touring bike I choose.

Why would guns be different?

BUT you DO have to take a test to drive anything other than a "passenger vehicle", (ie comemrcial, A, B, hazmat, air brakes, bus, etc).

When you added your bike, did you not have to test for it? You just didnt walk in and say "add the M now"..right?

Joe Citizen gets his good cause and can get a CCW, but has never shot. Why would I want someone carrying a DE 50 cal when all he can effectivly shoot is a .380 or 9mm?

It boils down to LIABILTY. The SO/PD is approving the CCW, and therefor have a horse in the race of liability. They want to make sure someone is CAPABLE of handling said weapon, so be it.

Perhaps Joe Citizen is used to a 1911, saftey and all, and grabs a glock, not used to having no grip saftey or slide saftey, wouldnt you want them some what knowledgable?