Long Beach PD rescues UOCer from Park Police on Independence Day!!

[steelrain82]

Are they allowedto run the serial number. I thought they can only check to see if it's unloaded. If I'm wrong pleas correct me.

[Armory XT]

That said, I can't believe you felt it necessary to UOC at park jammed full of kids on a holiday. What kind of reaction did you think you were going to get?

The park had alot more than just kids there. Have you ever been to Long Beach ? Are you aware of the gang infestation ? Are you aware of the 4th of July being a holiday where people get REALLY drunk and dangerous and out of control ?

The man had a gun to protect his family. Kudos to him.


btw - I bet he wasnt the only person there with a gun

[Donny1]

The problem I see here is what is a California standard. He was there for hours and one person felt the need to call and complain. The Park Rangers overreacted and he was hassled until someone with some sense and knowledge showed up.

Our California society of, I'll sue you and get paid if you call me a name, and everybody will let you get away with it makes me sick to my stomach. Society in California is so shocked to see a gun without a uniform attached to it that they panic. Face it, these people have all collected here and for now it makes it an uphill battle. I don't live in the Bay area but from what I've read, 10 people would have called within 5 minutes so I guess we have it better in SoCal.

I don't know how other people feel about it but if I see OC, not uniformed, I either think plain clothes LEO or someone that has the right to do so. Aren't criminals pointing their gun and doing something illegal? Not playing with their kids.

[NORCAL#1]

open carry

Im not going to get in a debate of if he is right our not. It is his right to open carry, but that said i would expect to go thought the same B.S. every time you do so at a public event! I have to to say I think if you open carry it will still take a good shooter at least 1 second to reload,what if the suspect already has his gun in your face saying " Give me your gun". This is just my opinion, also i have yet to see a story were a California person save's his self or other's from open carry. If someone has a story please post. Have a good day!

[Dangerpin]

Bummer about the park police being clueless about UOC. That said, I can't believe you felt it necessary to UOC at park jammed full of kids on a holiday. What kind of reaction did you think you were going to get?

What does the park being full of kids have to do with anything? The gun was unloaded and properly carried from what I could see. There was no safety issue here.

Hopefully these kids will grow up knowing that carrying a weapon does not make you a criminal. This might have been useful in your upbringing, it seems.

I'm not a big proponent of UOC but the "think of the kids" bs has got to stop!

[fd15k]

The problem I see here is what is a California standard. He was there for hours and one person felt the need to call and complain. The Park Rangers overreacted and he was hassled until someone with some sense and knowledge showed up.

Our California society of, I'll sue you and get paid if you call me a name, and everybody will let you get away with it makes me sick to my stomach. Society in California is so shocked to see a gun without a uniform attached to it that they panic. Face it, these people have all collected here and for now it makes it an uphill battle. I don't live in the Bay area but from what I've read, 10 people would have called within 5 minutes so I guess we have it better in SoCal.

I don't know how other people feel about it but if I see OC, not uniformed, I either think plain clothes LEO or someone that has the right to do so. Aren't criminals pointing their gun and doing something illegal? Not playing with their kids.

You're also forgetting one more psychological aspect - a lot of people believe guns are not safe. So they might not have doubts about whether the person with a gun is law abiding, but they just feel that presence of a gun makes them unsafe. There is probably no way to cure that, we just have to force them to accept the reality by exposing them to more guns

[510dat]

Bummer about the park police being clueless about UOC. That said, I can't believe you felt it necessary to UOC at park jammed full of kids on a holiday. What kind of reaction did you think you were going to get?

This is a classic example of *my* problem with UOC. I'm fine with it as long as it's used as a political tool, as a means to the end of improving access to CCW. I am *not* fine with it if it's used "because I can", without any real or perceived need.

This really pisses me off because I've written letters and even met with my Assemblyperson to discuss UOC/CCW. But when this kind of thing happens at park full of kids, I completely understand why they want to just ban the whole frakkin thing!

If he shouldn't carry in the park on 4th of July just "because [he] can", then when should he? Aren't rights something we exercise "because we can?"

What about the argument people use for banning AWs? "Nobody should have an AW just because they can."

"Why would you want one of those guns?" Because I can, that's why!

"Just because you can have a military caliber doesn't mean you should have a military caliber!"

Nobody actually needs a high-capacity magazine!

I'm no fan of OC, because I think right now its doing more harm than good, but that guy sure as hell has the right to OC if he wants too.

[CitaDeL]

Bummer about the park police being clueless about UOC. That said, I can't believe you felt it necessary to UOC at park jammed full of kids on a holiday. What kind of reaction did you think you were going to get?

This is a classic example of *my* problem with UOC. I'm fine with it as long as it's used as a political tool, as a means to the end of improving access to CCW. I am *not* fine with it if it's used "because I can", without any real or perceived need.

This really pisses me off because I've written letters and even met with my Assemblyperson to discuss UOC/CCW. But when this kind of thing happens at park full of kids, I completely understand why they want to just ban the whole frakkin thing!

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I'm not clear if you are the person in the article, Liberty1, so please read my comments as directed towards the UOCer.

If the park really was an unsafe area then that would change things. But to support that argument the park would have to be largely empty. A dangerous park, packed with families enjoying the holidays, doesn't pass the smell test.

Neither the second amendment nor UOC or any of its variants are a 'political tool'. This is your first misunderstanding. Your second is the assumption that carry in parks or large crowds, or holiday festivities should be regulated or prohibited. Your third error is the assumption that to carry a weapon that you must have a percieved threat.

Since it is impossible to foresee the threat of criminal activity, terrorism, or other altercation, then it would be prudent to be prepared for that possibility regardless of how family friendly it appears to be.

You may think that the second amendment is there to protect your safe bound arms in your home and to secure the privilege of carrying a secret hidden weapon, but the reality is that the 2nd especially secures the rights of those who are most obviously armed and most offensive to your overly sensitive character.

[CSACANNONEER]

I'm not clear if you are the person in the article, Liberty1, so please read my comments as directed towards the UOCer.

If the park really was an unsafe area then that would change things. But to support that argument the park would have to be largely empty. A dangerous park, packed with families enjoying the holidays, doesn't pass the smell test.

It is VERY safe to assume that Liberty! was NOT the UOCer.

Go to LB and see for yourself! Many parks packed full of families can and have been very dangerous places in the past. What makes you think that it would not be that way anymore? Why do busy amusement parks have metal detectors and weapons checks? Your "logic" is flawed.

[Liberty1]

A dangerous park, packed with families enjoying the holidays, doesn't pass the smell test.

What does families being present have to do with anything (beyond not wanting UOC drama right now which I agree with)? I'd theorize his possession deterred crime at that park.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordyke_v._King#cite_note-appeals_opinion_4471-0

8 were shot at the Alameda County Fairgrounds on the 4th of July, 1989 resulting in the Nordyke v King case after a county property gun ban was passed.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/07/06/guardian_angels_patrol_brockton_fair_after_shootings/

We can’t even come out to have fun - a night for families - without a stabbing, shooting, or someone getting beat up.’’

http://forums.contracostatimes.com/topic/shooting-near-fair

Shooting near the fair?

I heard gunshots and sirens about 11:25pm earlier tonight. Was there a shooting? Details? I think it happened at or near the fair.

there were 10 gun shots over on da dogwood area 2 were shot in thier extremities i know at least one was taken to john muir,6 black males did the shooting and fled the area. judging from what all the fools were acting like at the fair something like this was bound to happen in the area,judging by how the hoodies were acting at the fair something like this was bound to happen in the area,the fair was kind of like mixing the calif youth authority with the law abiding citizens of antioch there to have fun all together in one place, the hoodies that were there could care less about the activities the fair had to offer.

http://www.pleasantonweekly.com/news/show_story.php?id=714

Fireworks at the fair, traditionally set off on Independence Day, have been banned at the Fairgrounds since a shooting there on July 4, 1998.

http://crimesceneinvestigations.blogspot.com/2009/07/springfield-man-charged-in-4th-of-july.html

several shots being fired from a van in the Mid-Town park about 6 p.m., where just hours earlier residents and children had taken part in a 4th of July celebration in and around the park.

http://www.lbreport.com/news/jun10/245ham.htm

following a walk-by shooting that wounded three victims: a 9 year old girl, a 36 year old woman and a 24 year old man.

[Donny1]

If you've ever done any training on the simulators you see how quickly you would have to react, draw your gun, and decide whether or not to fire.

I think in a public place with lot's of people around that that a threat coming directly to him, in his face, would be unlikely. But if someone starts shooting he could load up and at least have the means to protect himself and his family while formulating a plan to get them safely out of the area.

If you have ever spent time in LB you know you can go from (seemingly) perfectly safe, to gangland in one block.

Let's face it, the combination of the economy being in the toilet and police services being degraded by budget issues makes life scary at times. The more people get down on their luck, the more mentally unstable and desperate they become.

[Untamed1972]

Gotta love how the Rangers arrested him and THEN tried to find something to charge him with. I kinda though that for a cop to arrest you had to knnow that you committed a crime first.

Just goes to show the mentality of LE in our state. They've been trained to think anyone with a gun is a criminal, so when you find someone with a gun arrest them because they have obviously committed some kind of crime, you just hafta find one that fits.

[fd15k]

Gotta love how the Rangers arrested him and THEN tried to find something to charge him with. I kinda though that for a cop to arrest you had to knnow that you committed a crime first.

Just goes to show the mentality of LE in our state. They've been trained to think anyone with a gun is a criminal, so when you find someone with a gun arrest them because they have obviously committed some kind of crime, you just hafta find one that fits.

Give it 10 minutes, and you'll be accused of cop bashing

[Swiss]

You're all entitled to your opinions. I never said you don't/shouldn't have the right and I've done more than my share to fight for CCW. The gangland thing doesn't wash - I live in a city worse than LB and large gatherings in the parks are peaceful.

With UOC at the mercy of the CA Senate this kind of stuff hurts all of us. Stop acting so damn selfishly and start thinking about the impact of your actions on a more global scale. Want to make a point? Then fight for CCW. Then, god bless you, you can carry in the park without scaring the crap out of other people.

My bottom line is this: I don't want a society where people strut around with guns openly strapped to their waists. I do want a society where people can readily obtain a CCW. If you can't accept that as a valid, though perhaps different, point of view, then you're wasting your breath.

Neither the second amendment nor UOC or any of its variants are a 'political tool'. This is your first misunderstanding. Your second is the assumption that carry in parks or large crowds, or holiday festivities should be regulated or prohibited. Your third error is the assumption that to carry a weapon that you must have a percieved threat.

Since it is impossible to foresee the threat of criminal activity, terrorism, or other altercation, then it would be prudent to be prepared for that possibility regardless of how family friendly it appears to be.

You may think that the second amendment is there to protect your safe bound arms in your home and to secure the privilege of carrying a secret hidden weapon, but the reality is that the 2nd especially secures the rights of those who are most obviously armed and most offensive to your overly sensitive character.

[dieselpower]

Some very dumb comments here. Once again I am forced to tell people to think of real life before posting. No one thinks things out any more.

If you see I have quoted your comment, please think twice before you ever post again. You seem to be under thinking an issue and not living in the real world.

what if the suspect already has his gun in your face saying " Give me your gun".

you really think a criminal is going to point a firearm at a person, IN PUBLIC, and demand they turn over their sidearm? You seem to think criminals are extremely stupid. they are not. This has about the same chance of occuring as an AID infected person sticking people with AIDS infected needles. Yeah it has happened, but its "man bites dog" stories. You can not live your life in fear.

If the park really was an unsafe area then that would change things. But to support that argument the park would have to be largely empty. A dangerous park, packed with families enjoying the holidays, doesn't pass the smell test.

Any public area can be an unsafe area.... Or do you think a High School, Collage Campus, Church Event and public resturant are some how protected from criminals? Please show me in real life instances where these are the safest place where no one has ever needed a gun. I think you can see my point here.

Having an unloaded gun seems about as handy a having rock strapped to my belt

Really...come on now. This is probably the worst case of under thinking I can imagine. I am going to first apoligize to you for now insulting you. That is the stupidist comment I have ever read in my life. Are you really operating under the impression you will never be in a situation where you must first get a gun, then load it...Do you take a shower with a loaded firearm??? Do you sleep with a loaded firearm under your pillow??? OMG the pillow may impeed my reaction time...maybe I need to sleep with the gun in my hand. For the love of all that is real life, dont post that again.

Bummer about the park police being clueless about UOC. That said, I can't believe you felt it necessary to UOC at park jammed full of kids on a holiday. What kind of reaction did you think you were going to get?

This is a classic example of *my* problem with UOC. I'm fine with it as long as it's used as a political tool, as a means to the end of improving access to CCW. I am *not* fine with it if it's used "because I can", without any real or perceived need.

This really pisses me off because I've written letters and even met with my Assemblyperson to discuss UOC/CCW. But when this kind of thing happens at park full of kids, I completely understand why they want to just ban the whole frakkin thing!

total failure to understand the right to carry a firearm. please stop talking to assemblypersons...you may just need to join the brady camp. At least then we know which side you are on.