Long Beach PD rescues UOCer from Park Police on Independence Day!!

[dieselpower]

Give me some realistic situations for a 4th of july picnic in a park where a sidearm is going to save you and where you don't end up killing bystanders.** You going to draw on a guy who tries to steal the mustard from your picnic table? There's a difference between being naive and being pragmatic.

**Scenario must not involve a hero fantasy of some sort.

Mods: Feel free to move this portion of the thread to the survival board. I have a feeling zombies will be involved somehow.

lets see how many i can give you off the top of my head..these are 100% real and if i had to can locate the news story to back it up.

drunk guy gets in arguement with buddy, pulls gun and starts shooting, crowd clears running from gun fire...OC draws firearm while protecting family / friends, criminal escapes by pistol whipping a guys wife who tried to raun past him to sheild her child, he aims gun at her and the gun misfires...he runs away.

sitting in high school and you hear gun fire, ppl screaming, more gun fire., door opens up and some kid with a gun starts blasting then walks out. nearly every year for the last 30 years you can a story like this

eating a nice lunch with your dad and some guy with two handguns walks in and starts killing ppl, under the current law, you are not allowed to OC or CC in a gun free resturant...you watch as the criminal shoots and kills your father...your gun in locked in the car.

Man, I can give you THOUSANDS of REAL LIFE SHOOTINGS...you want more...

at a church picnic you hear gun fire and people screaming, your partner who is unarmed runs away, you are OCing and follow the gun fire, shoot and kill the guy who hates christians

you are delivering the mail...its your job and some guy who just shot up a Jewish daycare finds you...and kills you because your are asian..

a 14 year old kid gets out of kiddy jail and decides he is going to prove to his home boys, he is now a man. he steals a gun from his uncles house and kills a woman as she walks from her LA fitness gym to her car..no reason just needed to kill someone. they later admit the woman yelled for help as they were grabbing her *** and he pulled the gun and shot her as she ran away to her car.

Do you want more?

Like I said, I have THOUSANDS of real life incidents where a CCW or OCer made a differance and where the a weapon may have saved a life.

[marcusrn]

You guys are like school girls. Now that you have been illegally molested you think that the people that elected Obama are going to make a shall issue law that you and the starbucks crowd will be happy about. Snowballs will sooner fly from my ***. SCOTUS has said that guns are for "self defense". If your in a park and playing with your kid and UOC and if I'm bigger than you I own your gun and your kid and you BBQ chicken! The ranger was doing you and your family a lesson. If you've applied for CCW and been denied than do what you have to do. Guns are not an ornament that you wear to be noticed. Even pink pistol members know that! Why do you insist on drama. Guns are also to be used to fight tyranny. Stong carry large cal discreetly and stop all the drama. You may loose your UOC to a real bd ***. The cop was doing you a favor. Marcusrn

[NightOwl]

Don't worry guy's elsensei saved 37 people today from being killed, i would give him a medal but one from the dollar store! I wonder what tomorrow hold 's for him must be hard to fill those shoes. We should all open carry think how many lives would be saved in one day. The only OC I do is between stages at a 3 gun match. On a serious note can anyone give me a real example of someone OC, and coming to anther citizen's aid. Not how no one robbed starbucks because he was siting out front wit his OC.

http://www.examiner.com/x-5619-Atlanta-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m2d18-Open-carry-deters-armed-robbery-in-Kennesaw

Is that close enough? Deterring two cars worth of armed robbers? Have a nice day.

[Snaps]

My bottom line is this: I don't want a society where people strut around with guns openly strapped to their waists. I do want a society where people can readily obtain a CCW. If you can't accept that as a valid, though perhaps different, point of view, then you're wasting your breath.

Sounds good. I won't accept your irrational, invalid, point of view.

[Maestro Pistolero]

Here's to the OP and LBPD. Now that's what i call police protection.

[dirtnap]

You guys do know what Liberty1 does for a living right?? If you did, you would also realize you're talking out of your ***. Liberty1 stepped up to help save my ***(from a hot blonde harbor patrol ) once when I got 12031'd at an UOC event here in SD. Thanks again L1 !

[CEDaytonaRydr]

You should follow this incident up with an official complaint against the park ranger. Do not allow them to try to deal with this problem "in house" because sometimes they will try to do that, rather than have a formal complaint filed. Sometimes, they can get pretty nasty about it, so be prepared to stick to your guns... (no pun intended)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2nKBVKvRSg

[Maestro Pistolero]

You guys do know what Liberty1 does for a living right?? If you did, you would also realize you're talking out of your ***.

So he's an officer?

[Capt. Speirs]

I really wish you guys would knock off UOC, we have enough negative attention on gun owners from the ignorant public. Yes, it is your right, but at what expense? The new anti gun legislation slithering about is getting support by UOC in public, IMHO.

[RobG]

Thank you for clarifying and my apologies for misreading your post w/r/t PNS.

No worries. My brain and typing fingers aren't exactly on the same wave link at times

[DVSmith]

Hast thou not heard? Billy Jack and TBJWebmaster hast changeth roles this week.

What is that you asketh? doth TBJWebmaster sport a codpiece?

Gazooks, you paltroon. Unlike some buffoons, TBJWebmaster hath no need of such embellishment. Begone, wretches!

Before this week is passed, before the hurly-burly's done, TBJWebmaster wagers that Billy Jack, his manner of speech and his headgear will looketh quite normal.

Ugg... funny, but in the end sad... oh well. I will enjoy the respite none the less.

[CEDaytonaRydr]

I really wish you guys would knock off UOC, we have enough negative attention on gun owners from the ignorant public. Yes, it is your right, but at what expense? The new anti gun legislation slithering about is getting support by UOC in public, IMHO.

True, but the negative attention could have a positive outcome. Honestly, I'd rather carry concealed but they won't let us do that either, so if open carrying gets the powers that be talking about the issue, it could be a win-win; they don't have people carrying guns out in the open and we retain the right to defend ourselves...

[QQQ]

You're all entitled to your opinions. I never said you don't/shouldn't have the right and I've done more than my share to fight for CCW. The gangland thing doesn't wash - I live in a city worse than LB and large gatherings in the parks are peaceful.

With UOC at the mercy of the CA Senate this kind of stuff hurts all of us. Stop acting so damn selfishly and start thinking about the impact of your actions on a more global scale. Want to make a point? Then fight for CCW. Then, god bless you, you can carry in the park without scaring the crap out of other people.

My bottom line is this: I don't want a society where people strut around with guns openly strapped to their waists. I do want a society where people can readily obtain a CCW. If you can't accept that as a valid, though perhaps different, point of view, then you're wasting your breath.

The Senate is full of anti's. They'll be anti regardless of whether people exercise their legal right to UOC. Do you honestly believe that if people stop UOC, state lawmakers will say, "Oh boy, now I support gun rights and CCW and taking down the AW ban"? Not a chance.

[pullnshoot25]

Re: Long Beach PD rescues UOCer from Park Police on Independence Day!!

The level of group think and sheepleness on calguns is amazing.

[N6ATF]

The Senate is full of anti's. They'll be anti regardless of whether people exercise their legal right to UOC. Do you honestly believe that if people stop UOC, state lawmakers will say, "Oh boy, now I support gun rights and CCW and taking down the AW ban"? Not a chance.

Exactly. Until all law-abiding gun owners in the U.S. are disarmed and subsequently killed, imprisoned, or bankrupt, they won't stop.