Long Beach PD rescues UOCer from Park Police on Independence Day!!

[fd15k]

awesome. Welcome, brother. Contact me if you need a referral to a good attorney and carry on!

Seriously! Isn't there an attorney who would take a civil rights case with no expenses to the plaintiff ???

[Armory XT]

If people in America are allowed to wear Che Guevara tee shirts in public then they should be able to wear a handgun in public.

[Crom]

Hi all I am that guy. I have been reading the post on here and this one upset me the most. If I felt the park was unsafe I would have got my wife and kids out as fast as possible. Swiss are you telepathic? Do you only wear a set belt when your going to crash? I carry every day every place when allowed. My wife expects me to and so do my kids. this is not a "political tool" its my life and my family i am protecting. If you live in a place like Arizona would you not carry every day? UOC is the closest thing I have.
Please don't take someones right away because you don't agree with them. My right is god given and protected by the 2A!! I will not feel shame!

Thank you for all of the support from the rest of you. I will be in contact with lawyers to see if I can help protect some of you and your rights.

Welcome! I too support open carry for precisely the reasons you listed.

[dantodd]

Lmao. This country needs more gun owners and less gun fanatics....

Welcome to CalGuns, I think it is safe to assume that the ratio of fanatics to "simple owners" is much higher in a forum dedicated to expanding gun rights and focused on "fanatics."

[dantodd]

If CCW was changed to be truly open to all I'd be OK with laws *discouraging* UOC...say ID checks to ensure you're not a prohibited person.

It is good to know just how strongly you support the 2A. I hope, for your sake, that the people who fund the various rights recovery efforts do not feel the same way about your favored expressions of the 2A.

[ryanburbridge]

If CCW was changed to be truly open to all I'd be OK with laws *discouraging* UOC...say ID checks to ensure you're not a prohibited person. I would never support a law that attempts to ban it.

Not sure where you're headed with the crime-free area comment.

wow swiss i like picking on you.
I do not suport any form of asking our government for permission to exercise our rights. would you be ok paying for a permit to free speech? or due process only for those who have a permit? I and you should only support laws like Arizona just past open loaded, concealed loaded no permit.

[BigDogatPlay]

no, you don't have to know the law to be in law enforcement. qualified immunity. Hooray!

Qualified immunity doesn't apply when it's well settled law you screw up on and everyone else around you is pretty clear on the concept.

Second tier or even fifth tier.... if the job includes the duties and responsibilities of peace officer, then the person holding that job has a responsibility to stay up on training materials and not make stupid arrests. That's the way I feel about it, and pretty much all of the cops I worked with all felt the same way.

[Glock22Fan]

Nice points and it is nice to read your posts when they are not written like someone playing a Native American in a B class western.

Hast thou not heard? Billy Jack and TBJWebmaster hast changeth roles this week.

What is that you asketh? doth TBJWebmaster sport a codpiece?

Gazooks, you paltroon. Unlike some buffoons, TBJWebmaster hath no need of such embellishment. Begone, wretches!

Before this week is passed, before the hurly-burly's done, TBJWebmaster wagers that Billy Jack, his manner of speech and his headgear will looketh quite normal.

[obeygiant]

Wow. Just wow.

I am very dismayed at many of the responses and questions in here.

Really? Why? Its this type of attitude/complacency that has lead us to the situation we are now in. How many threads do you see "top brass" telling us to stand down and wait and see what happens with this case or that. Or people giving in to that the fact that we get 10 round mags in CA approved guns under the guise that it saves ammo at the range. And now UOC is scary and will erode our rights further. Maybe I am in a sh&tty mood right now but I for one am tired of waiting on the gov't to say which inalienable rights we may have today

I agree, you must be in a "sh&tty mood" for you to go after PNS. Take a look at his sig line and re-evaluate the "type of attitude/complacency" comment, because he is far from it.

With regard to your comments on the "top brass" would you then say that you disagree with the strategy of

• Nordyke v. King Alameda guns show ban
• Pena v Cid Challenge to Roster of Handguns, April 2009
• Sykes v. McGinness Carry in Yolo and Sacramento Counties, May 2009
• Palmer v. District of Columbia Carry in District of Columbia, August 2009
• Peterson v. LaCabe Carry in The City and County of Denver, January 2010

If that is the case, can you please enlighten us with your strategy?

[GotMojo]

So let me get this straight? You are openly carrying in a crowded public park with lots of families and kids all around and you're surprised that somebody noticed and reported a man with a gun in the park? Seriously?

You strike me as someone who's out to get attention, plain and simple. This area isn't exactly the LBC 'hood (I have friends that live nearby and I've been there more than a few times). If you really felt unsafe there, why did you spend all day playing ball with the kids there?

You leave people with two impressions in situations like this:

1. On duty LEO
2. Nutjob

Edit: Didn't realize when I wrote this. The original poster is Brian Burbridge and the post was made on opencarry.org. Looks like he's a big OC proponent that's quoted in a lot of stories recently.
-1 for common sense. Just because you can legally do something doesn't mean you should.

[elsensei]

So let me get this straight? You are openly carrying in a crowded public park with lots of families and kids all around and you're surprised that somebody noticed and reported a man with a gun in the park? Seriously?

You strike me as someone who's out to get attention, plain and simple. This area isn't exactly the LBC 'hood (I have friends that live nearby and I've been there more than a few times). If you really felt unsafe there, why did you spend all day playing ball with the kids there?

You leave people with two impressions in situations like this:

1. On duty LEO
2. Nutjob

-1 for common sense. Just because you can legally do something doesn't mean you should.

Uh-huh...Until the **** hits the fan and then everyone loves that nutjob.

[RobG]

Obeygiant, my comments toward PNS were purely sarcastic. My feelings are the same as his; the complacent/scared attitude toward UOC r anything gun related that may "upset" libs. PNS is doing what others are afraid to do. And that is flexing his rights and not hiding them.

[obeygiant]

Obeygiant, my comments toward PNS were purely sarcastic. My feelings are the same as his; the complacent/scared attitude toward UOC r anything gun related that may "upset" libs. PNS is doing what others are afraid to do. And that is flexing his rights and not hiding them.

Thank you for clarifying and my apologies for misreading your post w/r/t PNS.

[Liberty1]

With regard to your comments on the "top brass"

[Swiss]

Keep the flames coming - I'll read them as my adrenalin level permits.

There was one comment by Dieselpower that struck home, about "losing a right and being left with a privilege that can be taken away". Just keep in mind that I never advocated for the right to UOC to be taken away.